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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:43 am 
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This is actually one of the few cases I support heavy trade tariffs. Now that our economy in the US has become so heavily geared towards exporting IP, be that software development, the entertainment industry, or industrial research and design, I think it's paramount that we ensure our trading partners respect our IP rather than turn a blind eye to piracy and patent/trademark infringement.

Gary Locke -- the US Ambassador who buys his own coffee AND flies cattle class -- gave an important speech yesterday in which he laid out his vision for the future of the U.S.-China economic and trade relationship. Here are a few excerpts:


[M]y top priority here is to work with the American business community in China to support President Obama’s job-creating efforts:
Helping to double American exports by 2015 - which will create jobs in the U.S. and provide high-quality, Made-in-America products and services which would be beneficial to China;
    Increasing Chinese investment in the U.S. - which will help Chinese companies prosper while at the same time creating jobs in America;
    And ensuring that U.S. companies can compete on a level playing field in China and operate in the same open and fair environment that Chinese companies enjoy in the U.S.

China’s current business climate is causing growing frustrations among foreign business and government leaders, including my colleagues in Washington. Last week, I was speaking with students at Beijing Foreign Studies University. And I identified what I believed to be the single largest barrier to improved U.S.-China cooperation: A lack of openness in many areas of Chinese society - including many areas of the Chinese economy. And if this continues, it will mean:
    Less innovations from Chinese businesses;
    Fewer opportunities for the Chinese people; and
    Slower growth for the Chinese economy.
    This is something neither China nor the global economy can afford.

In the United States, for every $1 in computer hardware sales there is about 88 cents in software sales. But in China, for every dollar in hardware sales there is only eight cents in software sales. According to the Business Software Alliance, that discrepancy is largely explained by the fact that nearly 80 percent of the software used on computers in China is counterfeit. Software companies report that they earn more from legitimate sales of their products in Vietnam than in all of China, despite the fact that China’s economy is more than 50 times larger. The lack of strong intellectual property rights enforcement is troubling not just to foreign firms, but to Chinese innovators as well. I have heard from so many Chinese-owned companies who have devoted significant resources to develop new products and technologies. And they complain they were almost wiped out by others illegally copying their ideas and technology. For every foreign company calling for stronger IP protection, there are many more Chinese companies demanding the same.

And, we are also committed to improving our visa process. We know that if we want to strengthen our commercial relationship with China and create jobs in America, that we need to make it easier for Chinese business people and tourists to travel to the United States for business and leisure. Reducing the wait time to obtain visas to travel to the U.S. will be a top priority for me as Ambassador.

More than five million Americans are directly employed by foreign companies in the United States, ranging from Japanese carmakers to Russian steel plants to Indian energy and industrial companies to Brazilian juice processors. And we’re welcoming more Chinese companies every day, as China’s foreign direct investment in America increased 400 percent between 2008 and 2010.


There's a link at the article to the full text of his speech.

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I get the feeling the Chinese government allows this intentionally to suppress imports as much as possible. That's how they run everything else. If the product is made with unskilled/moderately skilled labor, you can't profitably sell to China because they're the prime source of cheap labor. You can't sell them IP. If you're trying to sell something made by skilled labor you run up against the fact that Chinese citizens are barred from exchanging yuan for more than around $10,000 annually, meaning your market is pretty small. Oh and 25% capital gains tax on foreign investments means you can't try to profit off buying a Chinese company that makes stuff for Chinese people.


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Hence, we need to stop trying to pretend they are interested in fair trade. As such, we need, in order to protect our own economic ventures, to exert economic pressures on them to adopt moore favorable policies toward our economic goods before we consider them preferred status trading partners.

We can find cheap labor elsewhere, if we get it through policy-makers' skulls that we should.

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First we'd have to buy our country back.

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The free software helps China develop faster, which will in turn help us indirectly since we engage in business with them. I agree that ideally they should be paying for the IP but it isn't so bad. We don't lose anything when they pirate. If the Chinese didn't have computers then it'd be the same for us.


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I don't think that really follows...

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What doesn't follow? How can China develop into a modern country without software? Free software means more people and companies will get it.


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Lex, how do you think we're doing business with China if they're essentially stealing our only significant exports? It doesn't matter if they develop more quickly -- at the end of the day, they'll just be an advanced nation that's not paying for our economic production, rather than a backwards country that's not paying for our economic production.

And Coro, that's certainly the conventional wisdom. However, I'm not sure it's the best course. Because, again, so long as we've got a huge trade deficit due to, again, China essentially not paying for our economic exports, we'll never raise the money to buy our country back "first" and rectify the situation with their leniency on piracy later.

Instead, I think we're still in a favorable position in which they can't threaten us militarily (yet) if we clamp down economically while they do still hold lots of our debt. I think that, if we were to frame it as a diplomatic and economic problem, we'd get support from other parts of the world sympathetic to our arguments if we stood up and made them plainly and clearly, and then followed them up with refusals to accord them things like most favored trading partner status and whatnot.

China needs us as much as we need them, and that's before we take into account the piracy. If we don't buy their cheap manufactured goods, they lose their biggest market, and now can't keep their populace employed. Meanwhile, if we're not buying their cheap manufactured goods, we can redistribute the production to other underdeveloped regions, or even take some of it back onshore and have some stuff (depending on the stuff) Made in the USA again if it comes to it.

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