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Author: | Nitefox [ Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Ford pulls add that makes WH look bad |
http://detnews.com/article/20110927/OPI ... z1ZAjLrHUa Quote: Howes: Ford pulls its ad on bailouts ‘Didn’t take the money’ boast ruffles feathers DANIEL HOWES For the only Detroit automaker that "didn't take the money" of the federal auto bailouts, Ford Motor Co. keeps paying a price for its comparative success and self-reliant turnaround. There's no help from American taxpayers to help lighten its debt load, giving crosstown rivals comparatively better credit ratings and a financial edge Ford is working diligently to erase all on its own. There's no clause barring a strike by hourly workers amid this fall's national contract talks with the United Auto Workers — a by-product of the taxpayer-financed bailout that General Motors Co. and Chrysler Group LLC retain until 2015. And there's no assurance the Dearborn automaker can use the commercially advantageous fact that it didn't "take the money" proffered by the Obama Treasury Department and use it in TV ads angling to sell cars and trucks. Not if the campaign takes a whack at its Detroit rivals and suggests that Ford no longer supports the Obama administration bailouts it backed in public statements and sworn congressional testimony. As part of a campaign featuring "real people" explaining their decision to buy the Blue Oval, a guy named "Chris" says he "wasn't going to buy another car that was bailed out by our government," according the text of the ad, launched in early September. "I was going to buy from a manufacturer that's standing on their own: win, lose, or draw. That's what America is about is taking the chance to succeed and understanding when you fail that you gotta' pick yourself up and go back to work." That's what some of America is about, evidently. Because Ford pulled the ad after individuals inside the White House questioned whether the copy was publicly denigrating the controversial bailout policy CEO Alan Mulally repeatedly supported in the dark days of late 2008, in early '09 and again when the ad flap arose. And more. With President Barack Obama tuning his re-election campaign amid dismal economic conditions and simmering antipathy toward his stimulus spending and associated bailouts, the Ford ad carried the makings of a political liability when Team Obama can least afford yet another one. Can't have that. The ad, pulled in response to White House questions (and, presumably, carping from rival GM), threatened to rekindle the negative (if accurate) association just when the president wants credit for their positive results (GM and Chrysler are moving forward, making money and selling vehicles) and to distance himself from any public downside of his decision. In other words, where presidential politics and automotive marketing collide — clean, green, politically correct vehicles not included — the president wins and the automaker loses because the benefit of the battle isn't worth the cost of waging it. "This thing is highly charged," says an industry source familiar with the situation. Ford "never meant it to be an attack on the policy. There was not any pressure to take down the ad." Maybe not technically. But the nexus of politics and the auto business in today's Washington is bigger, broader and more complex than it arguably has been in who knows how long. Add a re-election campaign for the president credited (or condemned) with executing the bailout, and it should be no surprise that a White House that insists it doesn't want to "run" the business nonetheless reserves the right to question it, implications be damned. Whatever the politics, the ad kerfuffle exposes two opposed realities existing simultaneously for Ford: First, a sizable cadre of current and would-be customers oppose the notion of taxpayer bailouts for automakers, whatever the economic costs to the industrial Midwest and the nation of letting them collapse. Meaning there's an advantage Ford can press to remind folks that it didn't receive direct payouts from Treasury. Second is that Ford supported the bailouts before Congress, in public statements and still does today, despite the recurring snarkiness you hear around its offices in Dearborn that it "didn't take the money." No, it didn't. But Ford did seek a line of credit from the feds, borrowed billions under a government program to "retool" its plants and effectively failed first. That's why it recruited a superstar CEO from Boeing Co. and gave him some $23 billion in borrowed money to save the Blue Oval from bankruptcy. Or it would have taken the money, too. And to think, people still support this fool and his administration and want him re-elected. |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:43 pm ] |
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I'll send money to Ford if they keep the ad and make a stink in court about any pressure from the White House to do otherwise. |
Author: | FarSky [ Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:50 pm ] |
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Person on the side of the auto manufacturer wrote: "There was not any pressure to take down the ad."
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Author: | Taskiss [ Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:04 pm ] |
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FarSky wrote: Person on the side of the auto manufacturer wrote: "There was not any pressure to take down the ad." An "industry source" isn't necessarily on the side of the manufacturer. Could just as easily be a union worker. |
Author: | Nitefox [ Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:04 pm ] |
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FarSky wrote: Person on the side of the auto manufacturer wrote: "There was not any pressure to take down the ad." Quote: Ford pulled the ad after individuals inside the White House questioned whether the copy was publicly denigrating the controversial bailout policy Nah, no pressure at all... |
Author: | FarSky [ Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:06 pm ] |
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I don't think a union worker would offer defense of Ford in the previous sentence ("never meant it to be an attack on the policy"). But that's splitting hairs. |
Author: | FarSky [ Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:07 pm ] |
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Nitefox wrote: FarSky wrote: Person on the side of the auto manufacturer wrote: "There was not any pressure to take down the ad." Quote: Ford pulled the ad after individuals inside the White House questioned whether the copy was publicly denigrating the controversial bailout policy Nah, no pressure at all... To be fair, there's no evidence of that offered in the article. And the (decidedly op-ed) article's only source even said, specifically, there was "not any pressure to take down the ad." |
Author: | LadyKate [ Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:28 pm ] |
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Ford may not have taken the bail-out, but the ad should have been pulled anyway. Not because of pressure from the President, but because the notion that Ford is some morally righteous company who has done everything all with their own hands and not accepted any help is not quite an entirely truthful or accurate view if that last part of the article is true, then the ad would have been somewhat of a misrepresentation and a bit of a lie: Quote: But Ford did seek a line of credit from the feds, borrowed billions under a government program to "retool" its plants and effectively failed first. That's why it recruited a superstar CEO from Boeing Co. and gave him some $23 billion in borrowed money to save the Blue Oval from bankruptcy.
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Author: | FarSky [ Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:57 pm ] |
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Well, true, but that's what marketing professionals do: lie for fun and profit. |
Author: | Aizle [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ford pulls add that makes WH look bad |
So Ford didn't pull the ad, it was part of a rotation. Looks like some journalist was trying to create a story out of nothing. http://jalopnik.com/5844370/ford-denies ... e-pressure Ford wrote: The ad ran as part of a planned rotation and continues to run online. It contains the unscripted comments of a Ford owner. We supported emergency government support for our competitors and continue to support the decisions we made.
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Author: | TheRiov [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ford pulls add that makes WH look bad |
Nitefox wrote: And to think, people still support this fool and his administration and want him re-elected. And to think, some people are so blinded by their bias, that they see evil machinations at every turn when there are none. |
Author: | Nitefox [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ford pulls add that makes WH look bad |
TheRiov wrote: Nitefox wrote: And to think, people still support this fool and his administration and want him re-elected. And to think, some people are so blinded by their bias, that they see evil machinations at every turn when there are none. Ha, so this guy just made this up? Obiviously someone changed their mind, it doesn't mean this guy was wrong when he wrote the article. But, we still have all that great hope and change going on with your boy Obama don't we? Checked into that Solyndra thread lately TheRiov? How's that economy doing? What about jobs? We under 9% yet? What else could I pick from... /laughs at TheRiov. |
Author: | FarSky [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:24 am ] |
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Nitefox wrote: TheRiov wrote: Nitefox wrote: And to think, people still support this fool and his administration and want him re-elected. And to think, some people are so blinded by their bias, that they see evil machinations at every turn when there are none. Ha, so this guy just made this up? Obiviously someone changed their mind, it doesn't mean this guy was wrong when he wrote the article. Entirely possible. Evidence (even from within his own article) has mounted to make it even likely that yes, this guy either outright lied, or was wrong. He's presented no evidence of his claims. No one else has made this claim (all articles I've found referencing the issue, even Fox News) refer directly back to that one Detroit News op-ed). It's entirely possible that his op-ed column was correct. But judging by the evidence, even the evidence the original author included in his column, it doesn't appear to be. |
Author: | TheRiov [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:29 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ford pulls add that makes WH look bad |
Nitefox wrote: TheRiov wrote: Nitefox wrote: And to think, people still support this fool and his administration and want him re-elected. And to think, some people are so blinded by their bias, that they see evil machinations at every turn when there are none. Ha, so this guy just made this up? Obiviously someone changed their mind, it doesn't mean this guy was wrong when he wrote the article. But, we still have all that great hope and change going on with your boy Obama don't we? Checked into that Solyndra thread lately TheRiov? How's that economy doing? What about jobs? We under 9% yet? What else could I pick from... /laughs at TheRiov. I'm not rushing to defend Obama here. I'm just not joining the tinfoil hat society. |
Author: | Nitefox [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:35 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ford pulls add that makes WH look bad |
Duh duh duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... http://www.laborunionreport.com/portal/ ... ailout-ad/ Quote: From: Wayne A
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 01:56 PM To: Howes, Daniel Subject: Ford ad article FYI Ford says via its FB presence that they have not pulled the ad; that it simply is currently out of rotation. Response: Subject: Re: Ford ad article Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:21:57 -0400 From: Howes, Daniel To: Not true. Just had lunch w/ company VP who confirms my column. Thanks for the note. – DCH Daniel Howes Business Columnist The Detroit News W: +1.313.xxxxxxxx M: +1.313.xxxxxxxx E: xxxxxx@detnews.com Sent via BlackBerry |
Author: | Hopwin [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:58 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ford pulls add that makes WH look bad |
Nitefox wrote: TheRiov wrote: Nitefox wrote: And to think, people still support this fool and his administration and want him re-elected. And to think, some people are so blinded by their bias, that they see evil machinations at every turn when there are none. Ha, so this guy just made this up? Obiviously someone changed their mind, it doesn't mean this guy was wrong when he wrote the article. But, we still have all that great hope and change going on with your boy Obama don't we? Checked into that Solyndra thread lately TheRiov? How's that economy doing? What about jobs? We under 9% yet? What else could I pick from... /laughs at TheRiov. NF you have been extremely rabid in your attacks as of late almost to the point of irrationality. Could you maybe tone it down a little? |
Author: | Nitefox [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ford pulls add that makes WH look bad |
There's an ignore feature. Feel free to use it. |
Author: | Lonedar [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:11 pm ] |
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Nitefox wrote: There's an ignore feature. Feel free to use it. All this has happened before, all this will happen again. |
Author: | TheRiov [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:23 pm ] |
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Nitefox wrote: FIFY Yes. I'm fully aware of the irony of this post. |
Author: | Nitefox [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:24 pm ] |
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TheRiov wrote: Nitefox wrote: FIFY Yes. I'm fully aware of the irony of this post. /laugh Whatever freak show. |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:40 pm ] |
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TheRiov wrote: TheRiov wrote: Yes. I'm fully aware of the FTFY |
Author: | Hopwin [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:42 pm ] |
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Nitefox wrote: There's an ignore feature. Feel free to use it. I am going to go ahead and take that as a, "No I'm going to continue to utilize my current tone of nah-nah-ah-boo-boo stick your head in doo-doo." Correct? |
Author: | Nitefox [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:55 pm ] |
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Hopwin wrote: I am going to go ahead and take that as a, "No I'm going to continue to utilize my current tone of nah-nah-ah-boo-boo stick your head in doo-doo." Correct? You mean change how I respond to certain people in certain situations just to make Hopwin feel all warm and fuzzy? Like I said. Ignore feature. It can be your friend. |
Author: | Aizle [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:04 pm ] |
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My read was that he was just asking you to be civil. |
Author: | Nitefox [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:15 pm ] |
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Aizle wrote: My read was that he was just asking you to be civil. That's all well and good. So back to the topic at hand. What do you think of my latest post where the author of the story stands by what he said and then says a VP with the company agrees with him? |
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