Stathol wrote:
Who's John Galt?
A long winded, monologuing bastard created by hack novelist Ayn Rand.
You can give that story's entire moral message in a far more entertaining manner.
For instance...
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| Author: | Khross [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:14 am ] |
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In Before the Elmo Rage |
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| Author: | Hannibal [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:31 am ] |
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Pressing F5 furiously. |
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| Author: | Stathol [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:08 am ] |
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Who's John Galt? |
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| Author: | FarSky [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:12 am ] |
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I dunno...I'd take whatever's said here with a grain of galt. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:21 am ] |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Galt |
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| Author: | Stathol [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:29 am ] |
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I can't even tell who's kidding in this thread now. WHAT HAVE I DONE?! |
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| Author: | Rynar [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:28 am ] |
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Stathol wrote: Who's John Galt? ++ |
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| Author: | Talya [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:48 am ] |
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Stathol wrote: Who's John Galt? A long winded, monologuing bastard created by hack novelist Ayn Rand. You can give that story's entire moral message in a far more entertaining manner. For instance... Spoiler: |
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| Author: | Elmarnieh [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:53 am ] |
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I read the book only on the personal request of a friend because I don't read fiction anymore. Not going to get any rage out of me Khross, dunno why you think you would have. |
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| Author: | Rynar [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:57 am ] |
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Elmarnieh wrote: I read the book only on the personal request of a friend because I don't read fiction anymore. Not going to get any rage out of me Khross, dunno why you think you would have. Dear God... Why in the world would you quit reading fiction? |
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| Author: | Elmarnieh [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:29 am ] |
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I like information now more than flights of fancy. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:34 am ] |
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Elmarnieh wrote: I like information now more than flights of fancy. Booooring. |
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| Author: | FarSky [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:37 am ] |
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Indeed. Imagination > ...uh, not-imagination. |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:42 am ] |
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Nobody's imagination can compare to real science. That ****'s better than drugs. |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:44 am ] |
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Elmarnieh wrote: I like information now more than flights of fancy. There is lots of information in fiction. And lots of value. Satire, parables, historical fiction (reenactments, etc), the Constitution - all have value and are important. Not to mention the lack of understanding you will develop by closing yourself off to one huge segment of culture. Also, do you realize how boring you'll be in a conversation if you close yourself off to flights of fancy? |
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| Author: | Elmarnieh [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:45 am ] |
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Yeah because that is what I am known to be - boring. ??? |
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| Author: | TheRiov [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:47 am ] |
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This from a man who's primary image we mostly picture you with has you dressed in Jedi robes and holding a lightsaber? |
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| Author: | Hannibal [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:55 am ] |
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Hmm I see him as the bastard child of Ted nugent and Bert gummer from tremors. |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:55 am ] |
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Corolinth wrote: Nobody's imagination can compare to real science. That ****'s better than drugs. Thomas Edison wrote: To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Einstein wrote: Imagination is more important than knowledge. Emerson wrote: Science does not know its debt to imagination. Dewey wrote: Every great advance in science has issued from a new audacity of imagination. Emerson wrote: Men love to wonder, and that is the seed of science.
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| Author: | Midgen [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:08 pm ] |
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You don't have to read a lot of fiction to have an active imagination... |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:13 pm ] |
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Midgen wrote: You don't have to read a lot of fiction to have an active imagination... Isn't that was porn is for? |
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| Author: | Stathol [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:13 pm ] |
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Rynar wrote: Stathol wrote: Who's John Galt? ++ I'm glad someone got it.  So, why is John Galt not heroic, and what would be heroic? |
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| Author: | Talya [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:15 pm ] |
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Stathol wrote: Rynar wrote: Stathol wrote: Who's John Galt? ++ I'm glad someone got it. Oh, i think most (some?) of us got it. I just freakin' hate that book...and it's not the message that I hate. Ayn Rand's message was appealling. Her writing was crap. |
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| Author: | Rynar [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:35 pm ] |
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Elmarnieh wrote: I like information now more than flights of fancy. Don't fall into a trap, making yourself one dimensional. All the information in the world in useless without depth of character and a way to communicate and ultimatly sell that information to others. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:37 pm ] |
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Stathol wrote: Rynar wrote: Stathol wrote: Who's John Galt? ++ I'm glad someone got it. So, why is John Galt not heroic, and what would be heroic? That said, one should probably dismiss any notions one has of Rand being an Objectivist and proto-libertarian thinker. Avoiding all criticisms or praises for her writing, there are some fundamental phenomenological concerns that undermine the value of her writing in those contexts. In particular, I specifically picked Rand because she's a) not Western by birth and b) not initially a child of the specific Anglo-Saxon diaspora that dominates current academic and political thought. Sadly, what I discovered when I actually took her texts to task was a curious and peculiarly post-Marxist notion of the hero. But, I'll simply contend that altruistic suicide is not an act of heroism; it is, in point of fact, supremely selfish. However, that John Galt or Winston Smith or Professor Solanka or the Magistrate or Piggy or Bernard or even Darth Vader or Obi Wan or Qui Gonn or ... Well, everyone that isn't a comic book super hero ... except for that fact that self-obliteration has become such a fundamental component of our society that the destruction of the self has become the ultimate heroic act. And, that's actually just **** depressing. I'd rather live in a world where aphanisis isn't a requirement to greatness. |
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