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Author:  Nitefox [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:48 pm ]
Post subject:  So much for "content of character"...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... print.html


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“Let’s not even deal with the facts right now. Let’s deal with just our blackness and pride — and loyalty,” Joyner wrote on his BlackAmericaWeb.com blog. “We have the chance to re-elect the first African-American president, and that’s what we ought to be doing. And I’m not afraid or ashamed to say that as black people, we should do it because he’s a black man.”

Author:  Foamy [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:57 pm ]
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What an idiot.

Author:  FarSky [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:58 pm ]
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What a stupid remark made by an R&B disc jockey.

Author:  TheRiov [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So much for "content of character"...

Nitefox wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/can-obama-hold-on-to-african-american-voters-in-2012/2011/09/30/gIQA1IeisL_print.html


Quote:
“Let’s not even deal with the facts right now. Let’s deal with just our blackness and pride — and loyalty,” Joyner wrote on his BlackAmericaWeb.com blog. “We have the chance to re-elect the first African-American president, and that’s what we ought to be doing. And I’m not afraid or ashamed to say that as black people, we should do it because he’s a black man.”

OMG, someone said something moronic... on a BLOG!. And they're an Obama supporter! That must mean all Obama supporters are morons!

Author:  Khross [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So much for "content of character"...

TheRiov wrote:
OMG, someone said something moronic... on a BLOG!. And they're an Obama supporter! That must mean all Obama supporters are morons!
OMG, TheRiov totally posted another **** strawman! That must mean all of TheRiov's arguments are stupid!

Author:  Nitefox [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So much for "content of character"...

TheRiov wrote:
Nitefox wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/can-obama-hold-on-to-african-american-voters-in-2012/2011/09/30/gIQA1IeisL_print.html


Quote:
“Let’s not even deal with the facts right now. Let’s deal with just our blackness and pride — and loyalty,” Joyner wrote on his BlackAmericaWeb.com blog. “We have the chance to re-elect the first African-American president, and that’s what we ought to be doing. And I’m not afraid or ashamed to say that as black people, we should do it because he’s a black man.”

OMG, someone said something moronic... on a BLOG!. And they're an Obama supporter! That must mean all Obama supporters are morons!



Quote:
whose R&B morning show reaches one in four African American adults


Quote:
This past weekend, Obama called on the legacy of the civil rights movement at the dedication in Washington of the monument honoring the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., an event that followed a march chaired by Sharpton and Joyner in support of Obama’s jobs act.



You're an idiot.

Author:  Foamy [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So much for "content of character"...

TheRiov wrote:
Nitefox wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/can-obama-hold-on-to-african-american-voters-in-2012/2011/09/30/gIQA1IeisL_print.html


Quote:
“Let’s not even deal with the facts right now. Let’s deal with just our blackness and pride — and loyalty,” Joyner wrote on his BlackAmericaWeb.com blog. “We have the chance to re-elect the first African-American president, and that’s what we ought to be doing. And I’m not afraid or ashamed to say that as black people, we should do it because he’s a black man.”

OMG, someone said something moronic... on a BLOG!. And they're an Obama supporter! That must mean all Obama supporters are morons!


I don't give a crap who he supports. Anyone who suggests that a person be (re)elected to the Presidency based on the color of his\her skin is an idiot.

Author:  TheRiov [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So much for "content of character"...

Khross wrote:
TheRiov wrote:
OMG, someone said something moronic... on a BLOG!. And they're an Obama supporter! That must mean all Obama supporters are morons!
OMG, TheRiov totally posted another **** strawman! That must mean all of TheRiov's arguments are stupid!

In order for me to be making a strawman argument, I would have to be disagreeing with Nitefox's assumed contention that this is a fairly stupid thing to assert. I'm not doing that at all. I find the opinion that Joyner is making offensive in the extreme. HOWEVER, Nitefox (and several others here) have this fun little habit of pulling out quotes of individuals (or even groups) and then trying to paint everyone on the same side with the same brush.

Once or twice I could understand it would be "Lets hold up this idiot for public ridicule" -- but he doesn't do that for people on the right. Often he follows it up with general statements about "libs" the implication being that everyone who is a "lib" must therefore be affiliated.

edit: and once again, Khross is resorting to calling someone, or their arguments, stupid. Do you ever get tired of throwing insults? Stop hiding behind the anonymity of the internet where you can pretend to really be someone with a mask who no one knows. You continue to find excuses why you "cant" give out your identity, make tons of outrageous claims, most of which we suspect are lies, and find reasons why we can't verify them. And then you have the audacity to label others "Troll" ..... yet you're the metaphorical troll, lurking, hiding under the bridge, ambushing people with abuse and then hiding back under the bridge, for the next billy goat to come trip-tromping over the bridge.

Author:  Sam [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So much for "content of character"...

Foamy wrote:
TheRiov wrote:
OMG, someone said something moronic... on a BLOG!. And they're an Obama supporter! That must mean all Obama supporters are morons!


I don't give a crap who he supports. Anyone who suggests that a person be (re)elected to the Presidency based on the color of his\her skin is an idiot.


Foamy: Yes. Sadly he was voted for or against by some originally, based on that very thing. I'm sure he will be again.

TheRiov: Don't take stuff so personally (your original post towards this thread, not the Khross rebuttal) Others' posts in this thread aren't directly pointed at you imho.

Author:  Nitefox [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So much for "content of character"...

TheRiov wrote:
Khross wrote:
TheRiov wrote:
OMG, someone said something moronic... on a BLOG!. And they're an Obama supporter! That must mean all Obama supporters are morons!
OMG, TheRiov totally posted another **** strawman! That must mean all of TheRiov's arguments are stupid!

In order for me to be making a strawman argument, I would have to be disagreeing with Nitefox's assumed contention that this is a fairly stupid thing to assert. I'm not doing that at all. I find the opinion that Joyner is making offensive in the extreme. HOWEVER, Nitefox (and several others here) have this fun little habit of pulling out quotes of individuals (or even groups) and then trying to paint everyone on the same side with the same brush.

Once or twice I could understand it would be "Lets hold up this idiot for public ridicule" -- but he doesn't do that for people on the right. Often he follows it up with general statements about "libs" the implication being that everyone who is a "lib" must therefore be affiliated.



But I didn't do that.


If I want to take a swipe at folks, I do it. I'll say what I want to say. If I don't specifically do so, you can rest assured im letting whatever I'm saying or quoting or posting stand on it's own merits. So take your accusations and shove them up your ***. And just so you know for sure, that WAS directed at you.

Author:  Rorinthas [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:41 pm ]
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If they are gonna support someone solely for being black, then why not support Herman Cain? I could certainly provide racial anecdotes that he's "more black" than BHO

Author:  Nitefox [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:47 pm ]
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Rorinthas wrote:
If they are gonna support someone soley for being black, then why not support Herman Cain? I could certainly provide racial anecdotes that he's "more black" than BHO



I've pondered this as well but the MSM and dem base of black voters only see Cain as an Uncle Tom.

Author:  Rorinthas [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:49 pm ]
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why?
Because he's successful? So is Obama?
Because he didn't March? Neither did Obama?

Author:  Talya [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:54 pm ]
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just imagine the **** that would fly if some radio personality suggested: “Let’s not even deal with the facts right now. Let’s deal with just our whiteness and pride — and loyalty. We have the chance to elect a White American president, and that’s what we ought to be doing. And I’m not afraid or ashamed to say that as white people, we should do it because he’s a white man.”

Author:  Nitefox [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:59 pm ]
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Talya wrote:
just imagine the **** that would fly if some radio personality suggested: “Let’s not even deal with the facts right now. Let’s deal with just our whiteness and pride — and loyalty. We have the chance to elect a White American president, and that’s what we ought to be doing. And I’m not afraid or ashamed to say that as white people, we should do it because he’s a white man.”




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Author:  LadyKate [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So much for "content of character"...

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Author:  Khross [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So much for "content of character"...

Oh, wait, TheRiov's ***** about me calling his arguments stupid?

viewtopic.php?p=167009#p167009

TheRiov wrote:
There is a difference between attack an idea, argument, etc, and attacking the person.

I won't make apologies for attacking an argument. Nor would I take offense if you want to attack arguments I (or anyone else made). The difference occurs when you start attacking the individuals or groups as opposed to the policies or stances.


You can leave the thread now, TheRiov.
TheRiov wrote:
edit: and once again, Khross is resorting to calling someone, or their arguments, stupid. Do you ever get tired of throwing insults? Stop hiding behind the anonymity of the internet where you can pretend to really be someone with a mask who no one knows. You continue to find excuses why you "cant" give out your identity, make tons of outrageous claims, most of which we suspect are lies, and find reasons why we can't verify them. And then you have the audacity to label others "Troll" ..... yet you're the metaphorical troll, lurking, hiding under the bridge, ambushing people with abuse and then hiding back under the bridge, for the next billy goat to come trip-tromping over the bridge.
I'm sorry, but I'm have a little trouble taking you seriously when you're so blatantly contradicting your own statements about behavior in general. Perhaps taking your statement and making a few substitutions to create exactly the same kind of fallacious statement you made is ...

Actually, it doesn't matter. Your post was a straw man and quite fallacious. My post was a straw man and a tu quoque fallacy, but it was certainly intentional as a manner of demonstrating the failings of your post. However, since you seem to find that so offensive ...

Author:  TheRiov [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:04 pm ]
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It would be different if you didn't have a habit of it Khross. And attacking an individual idea is different than attacking all ideas from an individual.

Poisoning the well.

Author:  Rorinthas [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:09 pm ]
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Yeah it'd be stupid to say this guy speaks for all blacks just like it's stupid to say Pastor Phelps speaks for all Christians. that doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't openly discuss these people and their points of view.

Author:  Taskiss [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So much for "content of character"...

TheRiov wrote:
edit: and once again, Khross is resorting to calling someone, or their arguments, stupid. Do you ever get tired of throwing insults? Stop hiding behind the anonymity of the internet where you can pretend to really be someone with a mask who no one knows. You continue to find excuses why you "cant" give out your identity, make tons of outrageous claims, most of which we suspect are lies, and find reasons why we can't verify them.


Khross not sharing his identity on the internet is hardly something worth criticism. Plus, you should limit your argument about what "we" suspect or can't verify to just yourself, since my opinion of his claims don't hinge on his identity, it's pretty much based on each individual claim. I'd guess others are pretty much in that same boat, but you can make a poll if you'd like.

Would it make a difference to you if you knew Dr. Doom's secret identity?

Author:  LadyKate [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So much for "content of character"...

Taskiss wrote:
Would it make a difference to you if you knew Dr. Doom's secret identity?


What if he's, like, Hillary Clinton or something? :shock:

Author:  Stathol [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So much for "content of character"...

I'm pretty sure the last poll established that Khross was a black muslim, fighting The Man.

Author:  Elmarnieh [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:41 pm ]
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Or a hot chick?

Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So much for "content of character"...

TheRiov wrote:
HOWEVER, Nitefox (and several others here) have this fun little habit of pulling out quotes of individuals (or even groups) and then trying to paint everyone on the same side with the same brush.


Whether or not he has this habit is irrelevant. Where did he do so in this case? He didn't, as far as I can tell, paint anyone with any broad brush.

That is what makes your argument a strawman. Nitefox made no comment whatsoever in his OP. You just leaped to the conclusion that he was doing so, because.. well, honestly I don't know why. I can think of several possible reasons, none of them very good.

Author:  Wwen [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:57 pm ]
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It'd probably be real dissapointing, since he's really a boring economics professor or something.

I would like to have TheRiov's address though, so I can send him a box of Vagisil and no-tears shampoo for Christmas.

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