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Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, the chairman of the National Transitional Council and de fact president, had already declared that Libyan laws in future would have Sharia, the Islamic code, as its "basic source".

But that formulation can be interpreted in many ways - it was also the basis of Egypt's largely secular constitution under President Hosni Mubarak, and remains so after his fall.

Mr Abdul-Jalil went further, specifically lifting immediately, by decree, one law from Col. Gaddafi's era that he said was in conflict with Sharia - that banning polygamy.

In a blow to those who hoped to see Libya's economy integrate further into the western world, he announced that in future bank regulations would ban the charging of interest, in line with Sharia. "Interest creates disease and hatred among people," he said.

Gulf states like the United Arab Emirates, and other Muslim countries, have pioneered the development of Sharia-compliant banks which charge fees rather than interest for loans but they normally run alongside western-style banks.

Libya is already the most conservative state in north Africa, banning the sale of alcohol. Mr Abdul-Jalil's decision - made in advance of the introduction of any democratic process - will please the Islamists who have played a strong role in opposition to Col Gaddafi's rule and in the uprising but worry the many young liberal Libyans who, while usually observant Muslims, take their political cues from the West.


Wow, who could have predicted this? I'm waiting for everyone on the Glade who supported this 'revolution' to eat their words now.


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I did not pay attention, who supported this Kinetic military action? Not I

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8844819/Libyas-liberation-interim-ruler-unveils-more-radical-than-expected-plans-for-Islamic-law.html

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Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, the chairman of the National Transitional Council and de fact president, had already declared that Libyan laws in future would have Sharia, the Islamic code, as its "basic source".

But that formulation can be interpreted in many ways - it was also the basis of Egypt's largely secular constitution under President Hosni Mubarak, and remains so after his fall.

Mr Abdul-Jalil went further, specifically lifting immediately, by decree, one law from Col. Gaddafi's era that he said was in conflict with Sharia - that banning polygamy.

In a blow to those who hoped to see Libya's economy integrate further into the western world, he announced that in future bank regulations would ban the charging of interest, in line with Sharia. "Interest creates disease and hatred among people," he said.

Gulf states like the United Arab Emirates, and other Muslim countries, have pioneered the development of Sharia-compliant banks which charge fees rather than interest for loans but they normally run alongside western-style banks.

Libya is already the most conservative state in north Africa, banning the sale of alcohol. Mr Abdul-Jalil's decision - made in advance of the introduction of any democratic process - will please the Islamists who have played a strong role in opposition to Col Gaddafi's rule and in the uprising but worry the many young liberal Libyans who, while usually observant Muslims, take their political cues from the West.


Wow, who could have predicted this? I'm waiting for everyone on the Glade who supported this 'revolution' to eat their words now.


Why would anyone eat their words? Revolutionaries pulling down oppressive regimes always deserve their shot at freedom, regardless of what they do with it. I support their next revolution as well.

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Rynar wrote:
Lex Luthor wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8844819/Libyas-liberation-interim-ruler-unveils-more-radical-than-expected-plans-for-Islamic-law.html

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Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, the chairman of the National Transitional Council and de fact president, had already declared that Libyan laws in future would have Sharia, the Islamic code, as its "basic source".

But that formulation can be interpreted in many ways - it was also the basis of Egypt's largely secular constitution under President Hosni Mubarak, and remains so after his fall.

Mr Abdul-Jalil went further, specifically lifting immediately, by decree, one law from Col. Gaddafi's era that he said was in conflict with Sharia - that banning polygamy.

In a blow to those who hoped to see Libya's economy integrate further into the western world, he announced that in future bank regulations would ban the charging of interest, in line with Sharia. "Interest creates disease and hatred among people," he said.

Gulf states like the United Arab Emirates, and other Muslim countries, have pioneered the development of Sharia-compliant banks which charge fees rather than interest for loans but they normally run alongside western-style banks.

Libya is already the most conservative state in north Africa, banning the sale of alcohol. Mr Abdul-Jalil's decision - made in advance of the introduction of any democratic process - will please the Islamists who have played a strong role in opposition to Col Gaddafi's rule and in the uprising but worry the many young liberal Libyans who, while usually observant Muslims, take their political cues from the West.


Wow, who could have predicted this? I'm waiting for everyone on the Glade who supported this 'revolution' to eat their words now.


Why would anyone eat their words? Revolutionaries pulling down oppressive regimes always deserve their shot at freedom, regardless of what they do with it. I support their next revolution as well.


So you are perfectly fine with it if they pass laws requiring women to be escorted in public, cover their faces, not drive, and be excluded from other privileges (such as an education)? It seems their society might become more oppressive.


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Lex Luthor wrote:
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Wow, who could have predicted this? I'm waiting for everyone on the Glade who supported this 'revolution' to eat their words now.


Why would anyone eat their words? Revolutionaries pulling down oppressive regimes always deserve their shot at freedom, regardless of what they do with it. I support their next revolution as well.


So you are perfectly fine with it if they pass laws requiring women to be escorted in public, cover their faces, not drive, and be excluded from other privileges (such as an education)? It seems their society might become more oppressive.


Strawman.

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Revolutionaries pulling down oppressive regimes always deserve their shot at freedom, regardless of what they do with it. I support their next revolution as well.

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They had their shot at freedom and got what they wanted. They can now democratically pass any laws they want, including very oppressive ones. They are now free to impose the tyranny of the majority.


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Lex Luthor wrote:
They had their shot at freedom and got what they wanted. They can now democratically pass any laws they want, including very oppressive ones. They are now free to impose the tyranny of the majority.


They aren't as culturally advanced as the West, as they haven't experienced their own "enlightenment" to date. I liken the Arab Spring to Cromwell's revolution. There will be more to follow, and progress will be made in each.

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19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

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Rynar wrote:
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They had their shot at freedom and got what they wanted. They can now democratically pass any laws they want, including very oppressive ones. They are now free to impose the tyranny of the majority.


They aren't as culturally advanced as the West, as they haven't experienced their own "enlightenment" to date. I liken the Arab Spring to Cromwell's revolution. There will be more to follow, and progress will be made in each.


Previously people could freely drink alcohol on their property, now they can't. Seems like a regression to me.


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Lex Luthor wrote:
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They had their shot at freedom and got what they wanted. They can now democratically pass any laws they want, including very oppressive ones. They are now free to impose the tyranny of the majority.


They aren't as culturally advanced as the West, as they haven't experienced their own "enlightenment" to date. I liken the Arab Spring to Cromwell's revolution. There will be more to follow, and progress will be made in each.


Previously people could freely drink alcohol on their property, now they can't. Seems like a regression to me.


You should study Cromwell, or given your peculiar example, the United States in the 1920's.

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People have a right to decide what form their government takes.

It wouldn't be my choice, but if that's what they want, they should go for it.

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I didn't care about the former regime and I will continue that tradition by not giving a flying fuark about the next one.

I do however care about consistancy of my goverments actions. If the next regime does the same things that cause another "humanitarian crisis" then I'd expect NATO to be running a train on that regime as well.

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People have a right to decide what form their government takes.

It wouldn't be my choice, but if that's what they want, they should go for it.


I would (but you already knew this) go a step further, and say that all people have a right to be free, and that individual persons have a right to band with other like minded individuals and pull down any regime which tramples their individual soveriegnty, democratic or otherwise.

Fifty-one in a band of 100 are not justly made kings in agreement.

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I think you guys are all missing the point. And that point is, "Yay! We created another Iran!"

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I think you guys are all missing the point. And that point is, "Yay! We created another Iran!"


We're past that point.

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No, they created a new Libya, molded as most of their revolutionaries believe to be the true way. It isn't our country, we don't get to tell them to have a democratic republic. Rynar is actually speaking my thoughts on this. A true Sharia government will make them less of a world pariah, but it won't win them a lot of western friends.

We can't save the whole world, we can speak our minds about where the world is headed. Right now we seem to be headed towards a world where a charismatic Caliph could arise and unite the Arab world in a government as Mohammed wanted it, and I don't consider that a good thing.

Luckily, the Arab world is as divided as it ever was, and that will probably take a couple decades to pull off. In that stretch of time anything can happen.

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By the way I am mostly complaining about our expensive military action that effectively assisted in making their country worse off. I don't think we should spend more to administer them or dictate their laws, although I disagree with their laws.


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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
I think you guys are all missing the point. And that point is, "Yay! We created another Iran!"

I think this will be more along the lines of Afghanistan to be honest. Iran is at least discrete in its internal oppression. Whereas I imagine Libya will be lining people up in soccer stadiums sooner rather than later :(

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Also these former rebels have no relevant job experience in administering large oil companies. I wonder what will happen with that.


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Also these former rebels have no relevant job experience in administering large oil companies. I wonder what will happen with that.


The UN will do it for them. The Spice must flow.

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[ The Spice must flow.

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I'm still optimistic. Having a legal code "based" on Sharia is not necessarily Sharia. For example, think about what our legal code is based on. There's some old testament, some new testament, some feudal mambo jambo, the Roman system, and some other sparkly nonsense.

Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll build a free and equitable society that minimally conflicts with Sharia.


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