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Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:01 pm ] |
Post subject: | I can only shake my head and sigh (CP&L) |
Local CT Fox Affiliate wrote: Rick Green 6:27 p.m. EDT, November 5, 2011 Connecticut Light & Power did one thing very well last week: the company turned many of its customers into angry crusaders for regulatory reform. Could it really be possible that a big power company is this clumsy at communicating with the very people who must buy its product? Here's a revealing story. In West Hartford this week, when the electric company was refusing to tell town leaders what streets its crews were going to be working on, officials came up with their own improvised solution. Municipal leaders sent town police over to CL&P's staging area at Westfarms mall in the evening to ask the crews themselves where they would be heading to work the next day. This isn't neurotic small town bureaucrats overreacting. This information is critical during an emergency, when fire and rescue personnel must know what streets are passable. Already, one elderly West Hartford woman without power died in a fire at her home this week. So what did CL&P do when they found out West Hartford police were tracking down where crews were going to work? They told their workers not to talk to the cops. Now there's a company that cares. "We couldn't do a thing. We were fighting for six days. You couldn't get anything from them,'' said West Hartford Mayor Scott Slifka. On Saturday afternoon, Slifka was trying to explain to a room of about 100 residents why nearly 70 percent of the town was still without power. "CL&P is hearing a lot about how it failed to communicate,'' he said. Slifka's frustration about horrible communication is the same that I've heard in towns from Vernon to Simsbury to Hartland. CL&P Chief Operating Officer Jeffrey Butler stood before the cameras this week declaring that more crews were on the job, when they weren't (at least according to town officials). Butler blamed unexpected weather for his company's sluggish response, drawing howls from meteorologists. He blandly declared one day that there "have been issues." The issues continue. "We've just got to get better at communication,'' Butler said Saturday morning, before again reminding us that the storm was "an historic event." This was on a day when Gov. Malloy declared that CL&P had "missed their own target" for restoring more service by Saturday morning. The governor is so unimpressed with CL&P's ability to communicate that he no longer bothers to remain in the room when Butler steps to the podium to speak at daily press briefings. Communication "has been a disaster,'' said Simsbury First Selectman Mary Glassman Saturday afternoon. "They'd tell us there are four crews in town and we'd say where are they,'' she said. "And then [CL&P] would say 'we don't know.'" With platitudes and poor communication from CL&P, municipal officials such as Slifka are left try to explain it all to angry residents at emergency centers, on street corners and in late night phone calls. "How are we going to hold CL&P accountable?'' Monica Papas, a West Hartford resident, asked Slifka during his question and answer session. "They have not delivered. How do we hold them accountable?" Slifka explained to her that "the incompetence" he has witnessed this week "was shocking." He told her the story of CL&P executives telling its crews not to talk with local police. "I hope some heads will roll at CL&P. … There was a complete breakdown." The good news is that on Saturday, nearly a full week after the storm, CL&P finally began sharing more information with towns. Slifka and Glassman said at least they can tell residents without power that there's a plan. Thousands of line and tree crews, combined with 500 members of the National Guard and local public works departments, were expected to make significant progress through the weekend. But by stonewalling and inexplicably not sharing information for much of the week, CL&P can only blame itself as everyone, from mayors to sweet old ladies at the senior center, pile on. "They have completely underestimated our population,'' said Shari Cantor, a West Hartford town council member who appeared with Slifka at the senior center on Saturday. "People are furious." Yeah, I went to high school in this area. It's weird seeing your hometown, and streets and such that you used to bike on, mentioned in stories hitting the national news. I've got some friends who still live there; the one who's been posting updates on Facebook has been camped out at his workplace for several days now since it actually had power restored late last week. The complacency displayed here is just staggering. On all sides. Edit: Like the title better, Wwen? |
Author: | Wwen [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:24 am ] |
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That title sure is unhelpful. |
Author: | Hopwin [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:34 am ] |
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Deregulate now!! |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:55 am ] |
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We have deregulated electricity in Texas (as a matter of fact, it's about time for me to renew my contract or change companies) and it carries its own problems - most notably that there's an immense number of electricity offers to pick from and wading through them is quite a chore. |
Author: | Hopwin [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:05 am ] |
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Diamondeye wrote: We have deregulated electricity in Texas (as a matter of fact, it's about time for me to renew my contract or change companies) and it carries its own problems - most notably that there's an immense number of electricity offers to pick from and wading through them is quite a chore. Spoiler: |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:33 am ] |
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Mostly. However, it's something of a local joke. There's one add on TV where this woman gets buried under an entire dump truck load of electricity offers. |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:43 am ] |
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That still doesn't change the natural monopoly the local utility that actually owns (and maintains) the wires has, though. I'm honestly not entirely sure how to go about it otherwise, though. |
Author: | Xequecal [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:43 am ] |
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How does that work? Surely they all use the same power lines, and someone has to administer that. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:51 am ] |
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I don't know how it works. I'm not an electrical engineer. However, the fact is that it does work. My guess would be that there's one company that owns and maintains the power lines, and it gets paid by the companies that actually provide the power. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:53 am ] |
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Kaffis Mark V wrote: That still doesn't change the natural monopoly the local utility that actually owns (and maintains) the wires has, though. I'm honestly not entirely sure how to go about it otherwise, though. No, but it does mean that the electicity-providing companies and the money they presumably pay that wire-maintaining company have leverage on them to get their *** in gear. "Hey, while you aren't getting the wires fixed, our customers get no power and we don't get paid. That means YOU don't get paid, understand?" |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:31 am ] |
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Diamondeye wrote: Kaffis Mark V wrote: That still doesn't change the natural monopoly the local utility that actually owns (and maintains) the wires has, though. I'm honestly not entirely sure how to go about it otherwise, though. No, but it does mean that the electicity-providing companies and the money they presumably pay that wire-maintaining company have leverage on them to get their *** in gear. "Hey, while you aren't getting the wires fixed, our customers get no power and we don't get paid. That means YOU don't get paid, understand?" Yeah, which is better than nothing. |
Author: | Hannibal [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:02 am ] |
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there has to be more to this story then the reporter is letting on. In all the years I've done this work, we aboslutly tell local law enforcement where and what we are doing because we ask them to either keep traffic diverted or to be in the area to keep people slowed down. In addition, power companies have a person we call a "birddog" who surveys areas before the line crews come in. It's a universal job because sending in an experienced guy to give crews a rough idea what they are walking into is always a good idea. It lets us know if we need to isolate that section off the grid beforehand so the tree crews can come in and clear the lines and roads of downed trees. So there is an action plan submitted at least a few hours before the crews show up. But really thats it- trying to say we are going to be working in a specfic area in a specfic time is not realistic. It's usually find it, fix it, and follow the birddog to the next problem they have found. My opinion is that some "town leader" kept calling the power company telling them where their crews needed to be working because the town leader was tired of people ***** about being out of power. That in turn prompted a pissing match from the power company liason who was tired of hearing from whoever the person was. So my question: since this is a situation that happens EVERY outage to some degree or another- what agenda is making this national news? |
Author: | Taskiss [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:13 am ] |
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The article seems to be from a local Fox affiliate, it doesn't appear to be a national agenda, at least from the perspective of the OP. |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:35 am ] |
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Hannibal, would you say that having 70% of power customers still with no service in an entire town a week after a storm is acceptable? Normal? How about similar statistics for dozens of towns? It was literally Wednesday before anything got restored (and that was the business stretch, still nothing residential at that point) in one town that I know of. The storm was on Saturday. Yet, there had purportedly been crews working in that town "since Sunday." That's why the local pols are getting antsy. There's work allegedly being done, but nothing to show for it for days. And the work that's being done is clearly not enough. Perhaps I'm a bit hasty in saying it's making national news. It's not dominating CNN or Fox News, but it is showing up in places as far-flung as Utah, from my internet searches. |
Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:40 pm ] |
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Kaffis Mark V wrote: Hannibal, would you say that having 70% of power customers still with no service in an entire town a week after a storm is acceptable? Normal? How about similar statistics for dozens of towns?. Well, no two storms are alike. The only thing you can do really is monitor them to see how they are moving. For example, during hurricane Irene, Baltimore Gas and Electric had a bazillion people on call. They tried to hire 200 people from my company alone to "babysit" downed powerlines. In other words, sit in your car and make sure nobody walks by and injures themselves. That way, BG&E people wouldn't be tied up doing this, and could focus on repairs. I think they had a pretty solid army out, and still got heavily criticized. It sounds like these guys are screwing the pooch though, in a bad way. |
Author: | Hopwin [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:44 pm ] |
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Arathain Kelvar wrote: It sounds like these guys are screwing the pooch though, in a bad way. Quoted for posterity. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:12 pm ] |
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Arathain Kelvar wrote: Kaffis Mark V wrote: Hannibal, would you say that having 70% of power customers still with no service in an entire town a week after a storm is acceptable? Normal? How about similar statistics for dozens of towns?. Well, no two storms are alike. The only thing you can do really is monitor them to see how they are moving. For example, during hurricane Irene, Baltimore Gas and Electric had a bazillion people on call. They tried to hire 200 people from my company alone to "babysit" downed powerlines. In other words, sit in your car and make sure nobody walks by and injures themselves. That way, BG&E people wouldn't be tied up doing this, and could focus on repairs. I think they had a pretty solid army out, and still got heavily criticized. It sounds like these guys are screwing the pooch though, in a bad way. I had to babysit a down powerline in a really bad rainstorm once. It sucked, because I was doing it while it was still raining, and I got completely soaked since I had to stay outside the car. People kept wanting to go around the police car despite the lights being on and being parked across the road. |
Author: | LadyKate [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:39 pm ] |
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Arathain Kelvar wrote: It sounds like these guys are screwing the pooch though, in a bad way. Are you implying that there is a good way to screw the pooch, or is that just a misplaced comma? |
Author: | Hannibal [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:01 pm ] |
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Kaffis Mark V wrote: Hannibal, would you say that having 70% of power customers still with no service in an entire town a week after a storm is acceptable? Normal? How about similar statistics for dozens of towns? It was literally Wednesday before anything got restored (and that was the business stretch, still nothing residential at that point) in one town that I know of. The storm was on Saturday. Yet, there had purportedly been crews working in that town "since Sunday." That's why the local pols are getting antsy. There's work allegedly being done, but nothing to show for it for days. And the work that's being done is clearly not enough. Perhaps I'm a bit hasty in saying it's making national news. It's not dominating CNN or Fox News, but it is showing up in places as far-flung as Utah, from my internet searches. Depends on the damage, and looking for pictures isn't showing a lot. If the power transformers are broken, they need to be ordered, set according to the needs of the area, new pole set and everything transferred from the old pole to the new one. That alone is an entire days work, which until is done, will hold up other crews from restoring sections. All line areas must be free of hazards before poles can be restored. Poles must be restored before distribution lines can be secured. Transformers and setp down transformers must be hung before the residental lines are restored. Finally after all that is done, homeowners must have their yards cleared and homes repaired to have their residential service cables reconnected and powered on. The monumental task is to communicate where the damage is and get the crews there, as well as doing it in an order that isn't making it harder to do the next steps of the work. There is a specific order it needs to be done in. I was one of those linemen who went up to Canada during that incredible ice storm back in the late 90s. We worked for weeks to just get their lines back up to the point where they could be repaired and powered back on. Difference there is that people KNEW how big of a deal it was and prepared for it. Guess what I'm trying to communicate is that there are so many factors to consider that are not being reported, that the scenario I've posted I feel is the most likely. I really do feel that this is some "town leader" trying to put pressure on the power company via court of public opinion. Could the power company have been proactive and communicated the challenges of this task before it came to this? Absolutly. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:15 pm ] |
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You know, we can always count on you to leap to the defense of the power company. You shouldn't be such a jackbooted electricitarian. |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:20 pm ] |
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Oh, I very much agree that this is a town leader trying to put pressure on the power company via court of public opinion. The question is, is it warranted? Apparently, they did a pretty poor job with their Irene response, too. And I remember the power going out pretty frequently when I lived there (though not for that long), so it seems like they could use some improved redundancy or other infrastructural upgrades to get closer to modern reliability expectations... |
Author: | Mookhow [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:24 pm ] |
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LadyKate wrote: Arathain Kelvar wrote: It sounds like these guys are screwing the pooch though, in a bad way. Are you implying that there is a good way to screw the pooch, or is that just a misplaced comma? Well, if you're into that sort of thing... |
Author: | Hopwin [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:20 pm ] |
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LadyKate wrote: Arathain Kelvar wrote: It sounds like these guys are screwing the pooch though, in a bad way. Are you implying that there is a good way to screw the pooch, or is that just a misplaced comma? According to the Glade quotes for posterity. He's into it. |
Author: | Rynar [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:27 pm ] |
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Kaffis Mark V wrote: Oh, I very much agree that this is a town leader trying to put pressure on the power company via court of public opinion. The question is, is it warranted? Apparently, they did a pretty poor job with their Irene response, too. And I remember the power going out pretty frequently when I lived there (though not for that long), so it seems like they could use some improved redundancy or other infrastructural upgrades to get closer to modern reliability expectations... How would you make that judgement? Power companies aren't staffed for emergency power-outage situations. If they were, the cost you pay for your power would be even more astronomical. When natural disasters occur, power companies go into triage mode. They do the things that will restore the most power to the most people first, and work their way down to individual restorations. When the damage is wide spread, often, in part, because municipalities and home owners, strapped for cash, haven't been maintaining the trees in the area it can take weeks to get things fully operational. It's a reality that we, with our modern addictions to electronic technologies, have a hard time dealing with. |
Author: | Hannibal [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:47 pm ] |
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Diamondeye wrote: You know, we can always count on you to leap to the defense of the power company. You shouldn't be such a jackbooted electricitarian. Why do you go back to some socialist company where the goverment provides all ur electric and tell me how that works when they ration you and you have to get glasses from trying to read in the dark and thats how they keep you under their thumb RAGE POST! |
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