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http://nation.foxnews.com/politics/2011 ... -not-laugh

I honestly wonder if society was not so generous with its safety net would people this dumb survive. I should have put this under the "what wrong with the Dem's base, as here is there voting block.

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The "Occupy Wall Street" protesters have listed 13 proposed demands from their website.

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/politics/2011 ... z1ZqQduIUo

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Haha. Funny stuff.

I always like how people want to "fast track" alternative energy sources to get us away from fossil fuel, but then want to ban nuclear power plants for no seemingly definable reason.

If we really want to severely cut emissions, we could switch over primarily to *modern* reactor technology for the vast majority of our energy needs with relatively little waste, assuming a tiered reactor/enrichment system.

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Mr. Sky had already posted this, buried in another thread..

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=7231&p=167990#p167990

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Maybe we should just give everybody a million dollars, taken from the rich (anyone who makes over 250k).


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Haha. Funny stuff.

I always like how people want to "fast track" alternative energy sources to get us away from fossil fuel, but then want to ban nuclear power plants for no seemingly definable reason.

If we really want to severely cut emissions, we could switch over primarily to *modern* reactor technology for the vast majority of our energy needs with relatively little waste, assuming a tiered reactor/enrichment system.

It's as if they don't understand the things they want to do. It's like they want to return to the dark ages.

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The problem with 'modern' reactor technology, is that 30 years from now it'll be outdated, and considered obsolete and dangerous, and it's not like you can just return the things to Walmart.


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The problem with 'modern' reactor technology, is that 30 years from now it'll be outdated, and considered obsolete and dangerous, and it's not like you can just return the things to Walmart.

Most return periods are 30 days, not years.

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Midgen wrote:
The problem with 'modern' reactor technology, is that 30 years from now it'll be outdated, and considered obsolete and dangerous, and it's not like you can just return the things to Walmart.


If you set up a series of reactors properly, you can phase in new ones as the old ones become obsolete. It's not hard, there are plenty of examples of other countries that do it fine...

It's not like you have to completely scrap the plant, you can just do a refit.

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There was a pretty good interview with Bill gates in Wired a few months back about new energy sources. Gates said that most working plants were working with older technology and there are much better safer and more efficient designs. People are backwards and have been scared into being afraid of nuclear energy though. Gates mentioned that more people die from the coal of other sources on a regular basis than if you count and mishaps from a nuclear plant. I'd like to post the article, but it's from a dead tree...

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Wwen wrote:
There was a pretty good interview with Bill gates in Wired a few months back about new energy sources. Gates said that most working plants were working with older technology and there are much better safer and more efficient designs. People are backwards and have been scared into being afraid of nuclear energy though. Gates mentioned that more people die from the coal of other sources on a regular basis than if you count and mishaps from a nuclear plant. I'd like to post the article, but it's from a dead tree...


http://techcrunch.com/2011/05/03/bill-gates-nuclear/

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A friend in New York says he's so far gotten two dates and five more phone numbers out of occupy New York. He's enjoying the social aspects of the event, but thinks most of the folks there are out of their minds. This is in between taking classes at CUNY.

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I bet most people at these events are suburban white kids who tweet protest updates with their shiny iPhone 4.


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I bet most people at these events are suburban white kids who tweet protest updates with their shiny iPhone 4.

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Wasn't the Tea Party protesting Wall Street bailouts in 2008? Yet this crowd is it's ideological opposite. One wants more spending... but hates Wall Street and banks, the other wants less spending... and hates Wall Street and banks too.

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Yes and there is some people on both sides trying to unite in common goals and then people on both sides yelling at those people for talking with the enemy.

There always seems to be two kinds of people in movements - ones that just want to be angry and be around people who agree and those who want to get things done and that means talking to others.

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How many times am I allowed to be shocked by people like this before I'm officially classified as a retard?

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Yes and there is some people on both sides trying to unite in common goals and then people on both sides yelling at those people for talking with the enemy.

There always seems to be two kinds of people in movements - ones that just want to be angry and be around people who agree and those who want to get things done and that means talking to others.



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OMFG IT'S SPREADING!!! Blood in the streets whatnot...

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-hea ... s-thursday

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There will be catchy signs.

Recent footage of protesters railing against capitalist pigs on Wall Street has inspired others around the country and beyond to do the same. On Thursday, it’s Cleveland’s turn.

It’s called Occupy Cleveland, an offshoot of the somewhat more sizable Occupy Wall Street protest that’s been going on in New York City since mid-September.

The New York festivities were organized by Adbusters, a nonprofit group known mostly for being 1) anti-consumerist and 2) Canadian. Inspiration for the Wall Street protest — now three weeks strong, with body odor to spare — came from upheaval in Cairo earlier this year, which culminated in some fabulous YouTube videos and also the Egyptian Revolution.

But how does one Occupy Cleveland?

First off, by assembling at the Free Stamp downtown at noon on Thursday. From there, the group will march on one of Cleveland’s countless symbols of oppression, which has yet to be determined — most likely Public Square, the Federal Building, or possibly the batting cages at Progressive Field. (It will be Public Square.)

So far, the local movement’s got good mojo.

“In the past week or so, there’s really been a lot of people seeing a void that needs to be filled, and they’re stepping up and filling that void without any questions asked,” says spokesman Jacob Wagner, a law student at Case Western Reserve.

The group has sought solidarity with local unions and city officials, and has also reached out for celebrity support from the likes of filmmaker Michael Moore and Bone Thugz-n-Harmony, who surely are available.

Occupy Cleveland literature — all the best revolutions have literature — promises protesters will “set up their community camp and maintain an occupation indefinitely.” But so far, they’ve yet to pick a base of operations. Just like the bloody demonstrations spawned by the Industrial Revolution two centuries ago, “a lot of this is going to be weather permitting,” says Wagner.

And as for the plentiful arrests taking place on Wall Street?

“So far, it seems like the police are going to be on our side,” Wagner says. “Generally, police tend to agree with us, so we’re kind of hoping they’re going to look the other way with some of the city ordinances. But if they don’t, we’re gonna run into some problems.”

Cleveland Police did not reply to requests for comment.


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Nothing like hitting a major center of gravity of capitalist power like Cleveland to strike a blow!

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So nobody here agrees that there should be a $20 minimum wage? Think about all those poor high school kids who can't afford a mortgage on a house.


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Bloody Revolution - weather permitting.

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Bloody Revolution - weather permitting.

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