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A Taliban spokesman called the video "barbaric."
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Video - Marines Urinating on Dead Taliban |
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/12/us/video-marines-urinating/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Oy. In a way, I feel bad for the marines involved. It sounds like they will be treated very harshly for this. I'm not excusing this, but I do understand that it's a tough job. You have to detach yourself in order to survive and do your job, but the more detached the more this sort of stuff becomes likely. These are young men, and yet we expect them to be completely disciplined and responsible. Bad situation all around. |
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| Author: | Wwen [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:32 pm ] |
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Quote: A Taliban spokesman called the video "barbaric."
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:33 pm ] |
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Wwen wrote: Quote: A Taliban spokesman called the video "barbaric." I'd agree with that. |
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| Author: | Taskiss [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:52 pm ] |
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Kinda takes someone who's a bit of an animal to kill on command, it's a wonder that more of this doesn't happen. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Video - Marines Urinating on Dead Taliban |
Break it off in them ... |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Video - Marines Urinating on Dead Taliban |
This is most likely the result of PTSD, in a large part. They still should know better, but now that it's caused a public issue, punishment will undoubtedly be harsher than it otherwise would have been. This is the sort of thing that could be handled at Article 15 (The Navy and I believe the Marines also refer to it as Mast) but now that everyone and their brother is involved it will doubtless be a court-martial. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Video - Marines Urinating on Dead Taliban |
Diamondeye wrote: This is most likely the result of PTSD, in a large part. They still should know better, but now that it's caused a public issue, punishment will undoubtedly be harsher than it otherwise would have been. This is the sort of thing that could be handled at Article 15 (The Navy and I believe the Marines also refer to it as Mast) but now that everyone and their brother is involved it will doubtless be a court-martial. It's still inexcusable; break it off in them.
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Video - Marines Urinating on Dead Taliban |
Khross wrote: Diamondeye wrote: This is most likely the result of PTSD, in a large part. They still should know better, but now that it's caused a public issue, punishment will undoubtedly be harsher than it otherwise would have been. This is the sort of thing that could be handled at Article 15 (The Navy and I believe the Marines also refer to it as Mast) but now that everyone and their brother is involved it will doubtless be a court-martial. It's still inexcusable; break it off in them.Obviously it's inexcusable. PTSD doesn't mean you can go around handing out propaganda victories to the enemy (or desecrating corpses for that matter). It does, however, mean "break it off in them" is a bit harsher than strictly necessary. I'd be interested to know what their chain of command was doing while this was going on and in the months preceding. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:23 pm ] |
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New policy: Do not piss on Taliban bodies after shooting them. If you're going to piss on them, do it beforehand. In life, they aren't worth ****, feel free to disrespect them. In death, they ARE worth ****, and are perfectly good fertilizer. Don't disrespect that. Throw it on the opium fields. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Video - Marines Urinating on Dead Taliban |
Diamondeye wrote: Khross wrote: Diamondeye wrote: This is most likely the result of PTSD, in a large part. They still should know better, but now that it's caused a public issue, punishment will undoubtedly be harsher than it otherwise would have been. This is the sort of thing that could be handled at Article 15 (The Navy and I believe the Marines also refer to it as Mast) but now that everyone and their brother is involved it will doubtless be a court-martial. It's still inexcusable; break it off in them. |
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| Author: | Wwen [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:34 pm ] |
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Talya wrote: New policy: Do not piss on Taliban bodies after shooting them. If you're going to piss on them, do it beforehand. In life, they aren't worth ****, feel free to disrespect them. In death, they ARE worth ****, and are perfectly good fertilizer. Don't disrespect that. Throw it on the opium fields. While this is inexcusable, I have a hard time accepting that this is the worst thing ever, in light of other things that have happened due to The War Against Terror (TWAT).
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Video - Marines Urinating on Dead Taliban |
Yeah like all those innocent people who were beheaded. Tell me why we should ruin the lives of a couple young men who were willing to serve their country just to appease a bunch of people who would murder/enslave every one of us given the chance? Let's have some sense of context here. They deserve to have their heads banged together, not chopped off. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:43 pm ] |
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Rorinthas wrote: Tell me why we should ruin the lives of a couple young men who were willing to serve their country just to appease a bunch of people who would murder/enslave every one of us given the chance? Well, beyond the obvious false dilemma and appeal to emotion?How about this ... Punishing the soldiers in question has nothing to do with appeasing our enemy; it has nothing to do with the Taliban or Al Qaeda or whoever the hell we're fighting at the time. You punish these soldiers because you want your own military to be above reproach. Are they 18, young, dumb, and full of cum? Sure ... Are they immature? Can be. Are they perhaps under stress, duress, and other negative external pressures? Absolutely. It doesn't change the fact that their actions are inexcusable regardless of whose body it was. |
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| Author: | Elmarnieh [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:54 pm ] |
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Ror - once that video gets out to the people (people who don't have immediate access to youtube or tv) those soldiers just recruited more people against us than they would kill in 40 years over there. |
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| Author: | Lenas [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Video - Marines Urinating on Dead Taliban |
It's not about who got pissed on or when it happened. It's about the fact that American Soldiers were doing the pissing, and we're supposed to be better than that. It's not like we sent R-Kelly over there. |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:01 pm ] |
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I'm not saying the dead soldiers in question deserved to be urinated upon, and a public screw up deserves a public and severe punishment. I'm just wondering if it should be a court-martiable offense. Unless you have a different definition of breaking it off in them. My admittedly layman opinion is that I don't feel this means these four guys should have a shadow of a dishonorable discharge following them around the rest of their lives. Should they be allowed to resign? sounds good. I don't think grunts get to do that though. Elm, maybe maybe not. Any excuse will do, if not this one another. That's how it is when you are dealing with people whose basic tenets are anyone who disagrees with you should be converted, enslaved, or killed. I know that's not how all Muslims think, but it's certainly the line put out by the Taliban's former leader. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Video - Marines Urinating on Dead Taliban |
Yes, they should be dishonorably discharged; yes, they should have to deal with the consequences of their actions. Who the enemy is; where the enemy is; what the soldiers are doing ... These things have very little, if any, bearing on the severity of the punishment necessary. The punishment isn't about appeasing our enemies; it's about making god damned sure the rest of our soldiers aren't stupid or ignorant enough to do the same thing. |
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| Author: | Xequecal [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:18 pm ] |
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That's pretty ridiculous, there are soldiers serving years in prison that didn't get dishonorably discharged. They'll be on welfare for the rest of their lives if you do that. |
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| Author: | Raell [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:20 pm ] |
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Idiots... Makes me wonder what joys would have been filmed had every other kid in Vietnam had a video camera. |
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| Author: | FarSky [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Video - Marines Urinating on Dead Taliban |
Khross wrote: Rorinthas wrote: Tell me why we should ruin the lives of a couple young men who were willing to serve their country just to appease a bunch of people who would murder/enslave every one of us given the chance? Well, beyond the obvious false dilemma and appeal to emotion?How about this ... Punishing the soldiers in question has nothing to do with appeasing our enemy; it has nothing to do with the Taliban or Al Qaeda or whoever the hell we're fighting at the time. You punish these soldiers because you want your own military to be above reproach. Are they 18, young, dumb, and full of cum? Sure ... Are they immature? Can be. Are they perhaps under stress, duress, and other negative external pressures? Absolutely. It doesn't change the fact that their actions are inexcusable regardless of whose body it was. This, to a t. |
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| Author: | Jasmy [ Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Video - Marines Urinating on Dead Taliban |
FarSky wrote: Khross wrote: Rorinthas wrote: Tell me why we should ruin the lives of a couple young men who were willing to serve their country just to appease a bunch of people who would murder/enslave every one of us given the chance? Well, beyond the obvious false dilemma and appeal to emotion?How about this ... Punishing the soldiers in question has nothing to do with appeasing our enemy; it has nothing to do with the Taliban or Al Qaeda or whoever the hell we're fighting at the time. You punish these soldiers because you want your own military to be above reproach. Are they 18, young, dumb, and full of cum? Sure ... Are they immature? Can be. Are they perhaps under stress, duress, and other negative external pressures? Absolutely. It doesn't change the fact that their actions are inexcusable regardless of whose body it was. This, to a t. /seconded |
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| Author: | Müs [ Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:44 am ] |
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Pfft. They shoulda rubbed bacon on them. |
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| Author: | Hannibal [ Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:16 am ] |
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What's the penalty for excessive celebration in the NFL? That would work. |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Video - Marines Urinating on Dead Taliban |
I frequently work with veterans. Last semester I had a student who was finishing up an enlistment in the Air Force. Many times, he'd come to class or to help sessions dressed in his fatigues, because he didn't have time to change into civilian clothes after his shift on base. This guy always stood up straight. He was proud of himself for being in the Air Force, and he wanted the rest of us to be proud of him, too. That's not unreasonable. One of the great tragedies of the Vietnam War was the aftermath, when young men who really didn't want to fight in a war came home to be called murderers and baby-killers. That's a raw deal for anybody. You get taken away from your family, sent off to a foreign land, and when you come home your own family looks at you like a monster. These knucklehead marines are **** things up for everyone else in the armed forces that was looking to come home and be treated with dignity and respect. They're **** things up for everyone in the country that wants to look up to members of the armed forces, both past and present, as heroes. **** what any other nation thinks. This is not the pride, dignity, and honor that we want to associate with our military. This is not how U.S. soldiers conduct themselves. Our troops are better than this. I know, because I have met them. |
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| Author: | Micheal [ Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:47 am ] |
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/agree Coro |
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