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Author:  Rynar [ Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Tim Thomas and The White House

As if I needed another reason to stand up and applaud the man, he actually put on a show today which commands even more respect than the one he put on during the Cup Finals.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nhl/story/_/id/7493826/barack-obama-honors-stanley-cup-champion-boston-bruins-tim-thomas-no-show

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President honors Cup champ Bruins
January 23, 2012, 7:19 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama honored the NHL's Boston Bruins for their 2011 Stanley Cup championship, but one key member of the team was absent.

Goaltender Tim Thomas, one of only two Americans from the 2011 Stanley Cup team, decided not to join his teammates.

Thomas posted the following statement on his Facebook page at 6 p.m. ET:

"I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People.

This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Federal government.

Because I believe this, today I exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and did not visit the White House. This was not about politics or party, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a country. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL.

This is the only public statement I will be making on this topic. TT"


"Everybody has their own opinions and political beliefs and he chose not to join us," Bruins team president Cam Neely said of Thomas. "We certainly would have liked to have him come and join us, but that's his choice. Obviously it's not a choice that most of the guys, all the guys came except for Tim. That's his decision and his choice."

The 36-year-old Thomas had a lot to do with the Bruins' first title in 39 years. He went 16-9 in the playoffs with a 1.98 goals-against average.

During his speech, President Obama spoke glowingly about Thomas and his performance.

"This Stanley Cup was won by defense as much as by offense," Obama said. "Tim Thomas posted two shutouts in the Stanley Cup Finals and set an all-time record for saves in the postseason and he also earned the honor being only the second American ever to be recognized as the Stanley Cup playoff's MVP."

Bruins captain Zdeno Chara was informed of his teammate's decision Monday morning.

"Honestly, I don't have any thoughts about it," Chara said. "That's what he decided to do and the rest of it is up to him."

Bruins general manager Peter Chiarelli spoke with Thomas to no avail.

"I don't have a real reason right now," Chiarelli said earlier Monday. "He chose not to show up. I believe he's doing a statement later. That's all I can tell you right now."

Obama hosted the six-time champions at a White House ceremony Monday afternoon, when he also lauded the team for its charitable work.

The Bruins won the Cup last June after a bruising seven-game final series against the Vancouver Canucks.

While Thomas was a no-show, Bruins coach Claude Julien called visiting the White House and meeting the president "unbelievable."

"At the end of the day, the highlight is always about meeting the president of the United States and having a chance to shake his hand and meet him in person," he said. "I really felt privileged to get a phone call from him at the end of June after we won the Cup. This is more than that now, it's an opportunity to meet him and shake his hand. What a great gentleman he is."

The Cup win was the latest in a string of Boston professional sports championships in recent years, including the Celtics in 2008, the Red Sox in 2007 and the New England Patriots in 2005. The Patriots play in next month's Super Bowl.

Obama said, "The Bruins, the Sox, the Celtics, now the Patriots. Enough already, Boston."

The president gave one player a good-natured ribbing, calling forward Brad Marchand by his nickname: "the little ball of hate."

"I definitely wasn't expecting anything like that," Marchand said. "It was pretty cool hearing that from the president and it'll be something I'll always be able to brag about."

The team stood behind the president and laughed at his description of the pesky forward.

"It was funny," Patrice Bergeron said. "He made a great speech and it was fun to be there and meet him. To hear him talk about us, it was special."

The few hours the team spent at the White House was almost unimaginable for all the guys.

"It's pretty surreal," Marchand said. "You see the White House growing up and obviously the president is legendary all over the world and to be able to be here and meet him is a pretty cool thing."

The one thing that stood out for Chiarelli was the fact that the president is "down to earth" and seems like a normal guy. The GM was amazed by the amount of history in the house and called it a special visit.

"It really felt like he actually liked sports," Chiarelli said.

In lauding the team's charitable work, the White House also said the Boston Bruins Foundation has donated more than $7 million to charities in New England.

Author:  Foamy [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:42 am ]
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Good for him. Tough choice, perhaps to give up that trip to the White House, but he stood for his beliefs and made his statement loud and clear.

Author:  TheRiov [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:25 am ]
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Rynar wrote:
As if I needed another reason to stand up and applaud the man, he actually put on a show today which commands even more respect than the one he put on during the Cup Finals.
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Because I believe this, today I exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and did not visit the White House. This was not about politics or party, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a country. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL.


a) how is this not about politics? Its perhaps not about party, but its certainly about politics. He's making a political statement.
b) *Yawn* a celebrity making a political statement about something. I don't see you applauding other celebs when they offer their uninformed opinion, or when they make personal sacrifices for a cause they believe in.

Author:  Rynar [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:33 am ]
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It's not my job to applaud celebrities for taking political stands I disagree with. It's the job of whomever wishes to do so.

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:03 pm ]
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**** stupid. You play a god damn GAME. You're not relevant in politics. STFU.

Author:  Rynar [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:08 pm ]
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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
**** stupid. You play a god damn GAME. You're not relevant in politics. STFU.

He becomes relevant the second the political system attempts to insert him into itself by summoning him for a photo-op in order to borrow from his popularity and celebrity. He didn't ask to come to the White House, he was invited. So how about you STFU.

Author:  Rorinthas [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:14 pm ]
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He's entitled to his opinion. The fact that people for whatever reason want to stand around with microphones( or whatever) and retransmit it doesn't diminish that truth.

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:21 pm ]
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Rynar wrote:
Arathain Kelvar wrote:
**** stupid. You play a god damn GAME. You're not relevant in politics. STFU.

He becomes relevant the second the political system attempts to insert him into itself by summoning him for a photo-op in order to borrow from his popularity and celebrity. He didn't ask to come to the White House, he was invited. So how about you STFU.


Awww, what's the matter? Did I hurt your feelings? You posted your opinion and don't want me to post mine? Don't be that guy.

Anyway, his team was invited, and instead of going with his team and supporting it, being honored, and focusing on the game, he's being a tool. He didn't have to go, but he didn't have to make a **** stupid political statement, either.

It boggles the mind that anyone would give a crap what some hockey goon thinks about politics. The Stanley Cup is not about politics. STFU.

Author:  Rynar [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:30 pm ]
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If you don't like harsh language, perhaps you shouldn't lead with it.

The point, which has sailed clear over your head, is that Tim Thomas was asked to be used as a prop in a polictical environment. When he was placed into the political theater by others he had every right, possibly even a moral responsibility in his own eyes, not to be used as a prop but to instead use his moment to make a statement rather than to be used. That is commendable.

Author:  FarSky [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:35 pm ]
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Wow, it's like this story was genetically tailored specifically for me to not give a ****.

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:54 pm ]
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Rynar wrote:
If you don't like harsh language, perhaps you shouldn't lead with it.

The point, which has sailed clear over your head, is that Tim Thomas was asked to be used as a prop in a polictical environment. When he was placed into the political theater by others he had every right, possibly even a moral responsibility in his own eyes, not to be used as a prop but to instead use his moment to make a statement rather than to be used. That is commendable.


No, I got your point. The problem is, your point is flawed. He declined to be placed into the political theater.... and then made a political statement to place himself in the middle of the political theater. That's not commendable, it's stupidity.

I replied with a counter-point. Why would anyone care what he has to say about it?

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:54 pm ]
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FarSky wrote:
Wow, it's like this story was genetically tailored specifically for me to not give a ****.


+1

Author:  TheRiov [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:56 pm ]
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Rynar wrote:
If you don't like harsh language, perhaps you shouldn't lead with it.

The point, which has sailed clear over your head, is that Tim Thomas was asked to be used as a prop in a polictical environment. When he was placed into the political theater by others he had every right, possibly even a moral responsibility in his own eyes, not to be used as a prop but to instead use his moment to make a statement rather than to be used. That is commendable.

Rynar used the latest buzz-word on on the Glade! what does he win????

Author:  Rynar [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:11 pm ]
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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Rynar wrote:
If you don't like harsh language, perhaps you shouldn't lead with it.

The point, which has sailed clear over your head, is that Tim Thomas was asked to be used as a prop in a polictical environment. When he was placed into the political theater by others he had every right, possibly even a moral responsibility in his own eyes, not to be used as a prop but to instead use his moment to make a statement rather than to be used. That is commendable.


No, I got your point. The problem is, your point is flawed. He declined to be placed into the political theater.... and then made a political statement to place himself in the middle of the political theater. That's not commendable, it's stupidity.

I replied with a counter-point. Why would anyone care what he has to say about it?


False. He was placed into the policical theater, which is the the only reason he made the statement he made. He didn't insert himself. His goal was not to be apolitical, it was to make a statement about not being used by the politicians who run the system he disagrees with after those politicians tried to use him for their own ends.

Author:  Lenas [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:23 pm ]
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He probably shouldn't have made a statement at all, but to anyone that says his political opinion doesn't matter... **** off. His opinion is just as valid as any of yours, and he does have the right to express it.

Author:  TheRiov [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:32 pm ]
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Yes but apparently the ability to put your body in front of a speeding hunk of rubber grants you a much louder voice to speak in.

Author:  Talya [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:33 pm ]
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He expressed it in a dignified, courteous, and classy way, as well. This wasn't the Dixie Chicks being embarassed to come from the same state as that **** you had for president before Obama. This was a model of propriety for a political statement.


**** propriety and just shoot all the politicians. ;)

Author:  Talya [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:34 pm ]
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TheRiov wrote:
Yes but apparently the ability to put your body in front of a speeding hunk of rubber grants you a much louder voice to speak in.


He'll be invaluable if the police use rubber bullets to suppress the riots.

Author:  Foamy [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:40 pm ]
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TheRiov wrote:
Yes but apparently the ability to put your body in front of a speeding hunk of rubber grants you a much louder voice to speak in.


No more, I'd say than someone who stands in front of a camera and pretends to be someone else.

Seriously, what Lenas said, though. He has just as much right to have his say as anyone else. Because of his celebrity, his voice just comes across louder than yours or mine.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:24 pm ]
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TheRiov wrote:
Yes but apparently the ability to put your body in front of a speeding hunk of rubber grants you a much louder voice to speak in.


Celebrities have always had a bigger platform to speak from. It isn't suddenly a problem because this one plays ice hockey, or because he's expressing ideas that aren't the usual hollywood claptrap.

That said, he's still just a hockey goaltender. My affection for the Boston Bruins does not mean I'm about to listen to him.

Author:  Lenas [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:41 pm ]
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He didn't even try to send a message; he just explained why he wasn't in attendance. I guarantee this guy didn't send out press releases about why he wasn't there. He probably just got hounded by journalists and finally decided to answer. He may have never wanted to give an opinion, and now people are ***** that he's "abusing his celebrity" :roll:

Author:  Mookhow [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:24 pm ]
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He posted on Facebook.

Author:  Lenas [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:04 pm ]
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Still could have been in response to journalist harassment. Posting on FB could have been his way of driving home that it was his personal opinion only. *shrug*

Author:  Wwen [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:19 pm ]
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Everyone relax and read my signature.

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:01 am ]
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Rynar wrote:
False. He was placed into the policical theater, which is the the only reason he made the statement he made. He didn't insert himself. His goal was not to be apolitical, it was to make a statement about not being used by the politicians who run the system he disagrees with after those politicians tried to use him for their own ends.


He put himself in the "theater" with his comments. He could have not attended, he could even have said "I didn't attend because I don't agree with the president". That would have been an attempt to stay out of the "theater".

He's irrelevant in politics. His actions are not a reason to stand up and applaud, at most it's cause to roll my eyes and go back to ignoring him.

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