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| Author: | Uncle Fester [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:50 pm ] |
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This should probably be in rants, but what the hell. Last week or so the Susan Komen foundation for Breast Cancer research (they practically own the color pink now), decided to stop issuing grants to Planned Parent Hood since it was under investigation for misuse of funds. Well the Liberals went ballistic on all formats attacking the Komenn foundation until it was properly chastised and agreed to keep issuing grants to planned parenthood. Ahh Liberalism where murdering the unborn is more important then the living. http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/ ... jean-lopez |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:10 pm ] |
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I saw this in the paper today. I wasn't surprised. At least hopefully more people are now aware of Komen's association with the organization than they were prior. Don't get me wrong Komen has (or perhaps in the light of what's happened should have) every right to do what they want, just as folks can choose to donate to them or not. |
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| Author: | TheRiov [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:18 pm ] |
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Ah. Religious & moral conservatism. Passing judgement on others since the dawn of civilization. |
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| Author: | Uncle Fester [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:21 pm ] |
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Yes how dare a private institution attempt to decide where they would like to spend their money. |
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| Author: | Killuas [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:19 pm ] |
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Uncle Fester wrote: Yes how dare a private institution attempt to decide where they would like to spend their money. And they still have that right, nobody "forced" them to change their minds they could have stuck to their decision. However when you are an organization that is based on collecting donations and you see those donations go away you may want to reconsider your actions. So no one made them, people just started shifting their donations to PP instead (which took in a record amount of donations last week), SK could have said fine go ahead we don't need you and then live with the consequences of that decision. |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:00 pm ] |
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Planned Parenthood must be purged with Satan's fire, along with all of the liberals who support them. |
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| Author: | Uncle Fester [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:12 pm ] |
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What amazed me was the whiplash were the liberals wanted companies and sponsors to boycott kormen for not supporting abortions. I am neither Christian nor a social conservative. I do consider Abortion murder, but as a Libertarian don't believe it is a Federal matter, everyone deserves a chance to go to hell. But in their backlash the Liberals proved as tolerant and opponent minded as the most militant operation rescue fanatic. |
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| Author: | TheRiov [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:00 pm ] |
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How?? By pulling their donations?? This was how the system is supposed to work. No govt involvement just market forces. And you're whining about it because it's an outcome you don't like. Suck it up. |
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| Author: | TheRiov [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:01 pm ] |
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(yes we really saw liberals killing pro lifers )
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| Author: | Micheal [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:52 pm ] |
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The material I was sent referred to all the breast examinations that would stop due to Planned Parenthood's SGK funding going away. The pieces that did mention abortion mentioned as a small part of Planned Parenthood's activities (less 3%) For those on the conservative side who blame SGK for folding to the pressure, part of the folding was due to the fact that liberals give more to SGK, so the protests came from the donors, not just a bunch of loudmouths on the internet. Also of note is that Planned parenthood received a huge wave of donations directly immediately after the announcement SGK was puling out. People were putting their money where their mouths are. I'm not surprised they reversed course. I haven't cared for SGK for many years, for reasons local to Sacramento. They are the assholes of charitable fundraising here and sue people who try to raise funds for breast cancer research without them. |
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| Author: | Rynar [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:37 pm ] |
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I just cancelled all donations I had planned this year for SGK. |
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| Author: | Elmarnieh [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:24 pm ] |
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I find the whole breast cancer research hoopla to be overblown. Prostate cancer has a far lower survivability rate and heart disease kills more paper than all cancer combined. Breast cancer research gets lots of funding precisely because there are lots of survivors. |
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| Author: | Rynar [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:52 pm ] |
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Elmarnieh wrote: I find the whole breast cancer research hoopla to be overblown. Prostate cancer has a far lower survivability rate and heart disease kills more paper than all cancer combined. Breast cancer research gets lots of funding precisely because there are lots of survivors. It's the marketing. |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:35 pm ] |
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I just dont like the whole "You don't like Komen, you must be a misogynist who wants women to die" that I get from uninformed minds is all. As I said before, they are free to do what they want and I am free to not support them. My main concern is hope that this allows people to make more informed decisions about them. |
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| Author: | Jasmy [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:22 pm ] |
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Elmarnieh wrote: I find the whole breast cancer research hoopla to be overblown. Prostate cancer has a far lower survivability rate and heart disease kills more paper than all cancer combined. Breast cancer research gets lots of funding precisely because there are lots of survivors. Which is why I posted about Movember back in, oh, maybe November? Did anyone else read the info? There was only one response, from LK, in that thread. |
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| Author: | Micheal [ Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:25 am ] |
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Well aware of the situation. Missed your Movember thread. |
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| Author: | Jocificus [ Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:54 am ] |
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I find this entire topic fascinating, because it's a great example of everyone being able to get what they want. Conservatives get to tout this as an example of how the free market works. Liberals get to throw a fit about one of their favorite charities, Planned Parenthood. It's a win/win. |
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| Author: | Vindicarre [ Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:22 am ] |
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I'm always mystified when PP throws out the "3% of medical services performed" line. Looking at the number of abortions they performed in 2009 (332,278, over 25% of the abortions performed in the US) that means they performed well over 11 million "medical services" on the 3 million people that dealt with them. That accounts for 427 "medical services" performed by each staff (and volunteer) member a year. Even the people who answer the phones etc.; they must count each condom they hand out and each time they answer the phone as a "medical service". When Komen announced they weren't granting money to PP, SGK reported a 100% increase in donations; I'd be interested in seeing what supports the assertion that "liberals give more to SGK" (than whom?) . I was under the impression that the reason SGK announced they weren't granting money to PP was because of their guidelines that bar it from funding organizations under congressional investigation, not because of the hundreds of thousands of abortions PP does annually. |
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| Author: | Müs [ Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:41 am ] |
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I'll just donate my money (when I can be be bothered to do so) directly to PP. They do a lot of things *other* than abortions. A lot of female health procedures for the needy. Pap smears, exams, birth control. breast cancer exams, STD exams and education. PP is a GOOD thing. |
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| Author: | Vindicarre [ Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:51 am ] |
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For every ~2.5 breast exams performed by PP, one abortion was performed. I guess we each have our own definition of "GOOD". |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:31 am ] |
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Planned parenthood should remain. The circumstances where abortion is allowable should be tightened. I don't have a problem with SGK pulling their donations, I don't have a problem with people screaming about it, and I don't have a problem with them going back on their decision. All private decisions. Neither SGK nor PP are on my charity list. Not for any reason other than there are better organizations out there more in need of funds. |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:56 am ] |
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Also no matter what your stand on PP and abortion on demand, Shouldn't the issue of misuse of funds be addressed? The funding rules are pretty light but they should still be followed. |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:17 am ] |
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Vindicarre wrote: I was under the impression that the reason SGK announced they weren't granting money to PP was because of their guidelines that bar it from funding organizations under congressional investigation, not because of the hundreds of thousands of abortions PP does annually. This is their claim. However, interestly enough they have not decided to strip funding from Penn State which is also under congressional investigation. This is completely a political/religious decision on their part. One which they are completely entitled to make, however they also need to live to the consequences of those actions as well. |
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| Author: | Elmarnieh [ Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:09 pm ] |
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Penn State is not under investigation for misuse of funds. A charity that donates to an organization that misuses its funds opens itself to loss of tax free charitable org via defrauding the donors of the charity as to what their donations are used for. |
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| Author: | Vindicarre [ Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:57 pm ] |
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Aizle wrote: Vindicarre wrote: I was under the impression that the reason SGK announced they weren't granting money to PP was because of their guidelines that bar it from funding organizations under congressional investigation, not because of the hundreds of thousands of abortions PP does annually. This is their claim. However, interestly enough they have not decided to strip funding from Penn State which is also under congressional investigation. Not for misuse of funds, it only makes sense for a charity to be wary of such organizations, as Elmo already pointed out. Aizle wrote: This is completely a political/religious decision on their part. The only evidence I have seen points to the opposite. Aizle wrote: One which they are completely entitled to make, however they also need to live to the consequences of those actions as well. Absolutely |
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