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Author:  Leshani [ Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Indepent voters not wecome by GOP in AZ.
The Arizona GOP pulled an interesting move with this years presidential Primary, It no longer call a primary It is a Presidential Preference vote.
So by playing a naming game, they have excluded close to 1/3 of Arizona voters from participating.

Under AZ Law independent voters can vote in a primary Election. Either Democrat or Republican ballot but only one Ballot.

With the Name change of this nature they're able to prevent Independents from having a say in the presidential candidate.

Only Registered Republicans, and Green Party are allowed to vote.

Arizona will have another so called primary in August to settle out various other public offices that will be up in November, but the ability to influence the presidential candidate choice has been effectively taken away from 1/3 of Arizona voters.
But the best part is this preference Election is still run with Tax dollars and state resources.
**** YOU GOP.
Author:  Lenas [ Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Indepent voters not wecome by GOP in AZ.
Wow.
Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:09 pm ]
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Is AZ a Super Tuesday state?
Author:  Leshani [ Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:14 pm ]
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Yes it is
Author:  Killuas [ Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:22 pm ]
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Yes but AZ moved up their primary vote against the directive of the party, so someone at the convention could challenge their delegates and force them to distribute them instead of being a winner take all state like they are supposed to be.
Author:  NephyrS [ Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:27 pm ]
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**** like this is one of the reasons I never officially changed my voter registration.
Author:  Rorinthas [ Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Indepent voters not wecome by GOP in AZ.
Open primaries ftw
Author:  Khross [ Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:21 pm ]
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1. Your principle outrage should be directed at the sitting President of the United States (Barack Obama) and his lawyers for making this possible.

2. Your secondary outrage should be directed at your State and Federal lawmakers for giving enough power to the actual incorporated Parties that #1 happens to be true.
Author:  Rorinthas [ Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:00 pm ]
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How is this Obama's Fault?

I'm all with you on the second one, which is why I like the open primary model (if we are stuck with established parties let people move freely between them.)
Author:  Aegnor [ Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:02 pm ]
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Author:  Khross [ Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:14 pm ]
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The legal outcome of the whole eligibility thing was a Supreme Court ruling that put the power to vet and determine eligible candidates in the hands of the Parties, not the States or Citizenry.
Author:  Rorinthas [ Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:32 pm ]
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Ah.
Author:  Aizle [ Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:38 pm ]
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Khross wrote:
The legal outcome of the whole eligibility thing was a Supreme Court ruling that put the power to vet and determine eligible candidates in the hands of the Parties, not the States or Citizenry.


So the SCOTUS is just a puppet of Obama?
Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:47 pm ]
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Rorinthas wrote:
Open primaries ftw

Um, that's the problem. If AZ gets away with this, don't count on Ohio being safe -- AZ is supposed to have open primaries, too. If the party(ies) decide to rename their selection process in Ohio, our independents (and cross-party voting primariers) are just as screwed as Arizona's.
Author:  Uncle Fester [ Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:50 pm ]
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I never understood why independents/non registered should have a vote in a political parties primaries. If you want a voice in that organization join. It is not difficult or a life long commitment. If I wanted to vote on a companies policies I would buy stock.
Author:  Khross [ Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Indepent voters not wecome by GOP in AZ.
Aizle wrote:
Khross wrote:
The legal outcome of the whole eligibility thing was a Supreme Court ruling that put the power to vet and determine eligible candidates in the hands of the Parties, not the States or Citizenry.
So the SCOTUS is just a puppet of Obama?
Pretty much ... in this case. They let his lawyers get away with one of the greatest procedural travesties in history (I honestly don't care about the issue of his eligibility): Obama's lawyers argued that position from round one of the fight; by the time it got to the Supreme Court, so many judges had ruled against anyone's standing and acceded to the arguments put forth: that eligibility and the primary process are the province of the Parties--the Supreme Court outcome was pretty much a given by the time it got there.

In fact, this outcome is exactly what I've been decrying on the issue since day one. So, now, you get a Party rigging the electoral process blatantly against one of its own; and there's really no foul to be cried.

See Midgen's signature for further instruction.
Author:  Rorinthas [ Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:10 am ]
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I dunno. When I was growing up I was told that Ohio had stricter primaries than it does now and people hated it. Im hoping weve learned our lesson.
Author:  Leshani [ Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Indepent voters not wecome by GOP in AZ.
Quote:
I never understood why independents/non registered should have a vote in a political parties primaries. If you want a voice in that organization join. It is not difficult or a life long commitment. If I wanted to vote on a companies policies I would buy stock.


We do have stock in these primary's, they are run by our Secretary of State office and department of Elections, Funded not by the parties but by taxes.
that alone give me the right to have a voice

Also these Organizations have no Constitutional basis for their existence or government support
Author:  Raell [ Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:42 am ]
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You could have what happened in Michigan. The Dems were encouraging their members to vote for who they believe has the best chance of losing come the big show down in November.
Author:  Rynar [ Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:13 am ]
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This is old news. Primaries are conducted by private parties.
Author:  Hopwin [ Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:40 am ]
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This prevents Democrats who label themselves independents from muddying the waters. I think it was Michigan where they got 12k+ to commit to voting for Santorum to prevent Romney from winning.
Author:  Rorinthas [ Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:54 am ]
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Why should we have party enshrinement of the Presidential process, especially at a time where Presidential disapproval is higher than the number of self identifying red people.
Author:  Leshani [ Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:30 am ]
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Rynar wrote:
This is old news. Primaries are conducted by private parties.


not when there staffed and funded by board of elections paid for with taxes.
Author:  Khross [ Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:47 am ]
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Rynar wrote:
This is old news. Primaries are conducted by private parties.
Which is an amusing way in light of current case law to remove the States from the Presidential electoral process entirely.
Author:  RangerDave [ Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Indepent voters not wecome by GOP in AZ.
Khross wrote:
The legal outcome of the whole eligibility thing was a Supreme Court ruling that put the power to vet and determine eligible candidates in the hands of the Parties, not the States or Citizenry.

Uhh...closed primaries did not come into being as a result of that ruling. Heck, there's not even a post hoc propter hoc opportunity here, since closed primaries long predate Obama and the USSC ruling you're referring to.
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