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"We want one class of persons to have a liberal education and we want another class of persons, a very much larger class of necessity in every society, to forgo the privilege of a liberal education and fit themselves to perform specific difficult manual tasks" President Woodrow Wilson in an address to the Federation of High School Teachers

Taly, my issue with this idea is that you create a trained intellectual elite and an under-educated permanent working class.

Hopwin wrote:

Taly, my issue with this idea is that you create a trained intellectual elite and an under-educated permanent working class.

Why? I said "I'm a big proponent of a liberal education for all." If everyone gets that liberal education, what's the separator between the intellectual elite and an under-educated?

The question I ask is is the effect of our current system still the same as it was intended to be?

Author:	Elmarnieh [ Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:14 pm ]
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"We who are engaged in the sacred cause of education are entitled to look upon all parents as giving hostages to our cause." Horace Mann "I believe, therefore, that the true center of correlation on the school subjects is not science, nor literature, nor history, nor geography, but the child's own social activities." John Dewey 1897 "We want one class of persons to have a liberal education and we want another class of persons, a very much larger class of necessity in every society, to forgo the privilege of a liberal education and fit themselves to perform specific difficult manual tasks" President Woodrow Wilson in an address to the Federation of High School Teachers The question I ask is is the effect of our current system still the same as it was intended to be?

Author:	Rorinthas [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:21 pm ]
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I would say a vocal minority in education hold to the Wilsonian ideal you've established. The majority however I think do mean well, but they've just been duped into the idea that The Cartel is the only way to make those goals or believe there is no away to stop it, due to the "objects in media are larger than appear" previously described vocal minority

Author:	Talya [ Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:18 am ]
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Elmarnieh wrote: "We want one class of persons to have a liberal education and we want another class of persons, a very much larger class of necessity in every society, to forgo the privilege of a liberal education and fit themselves to perform specific difficult manual tasks" President Woodrow Wilson in an address to the Federation of High School Teachers Quick comment, for anyone who would read too much into this statement. Most of you probably know this (it should be obvious by Wilson's context), but when using the term "A liberal education," Liberal is not the political scare-word to which many of you would react negatively. "A liberal education" refers to a rounded education, rather than specialized. It operates under the assumption that a well rounded knowledge of many subjects helps quality of life and critical thinking skills. Even the machinist learns some Shakespeare. It gives you the basics needed to not be a comparable buffoon in common aspects of cultural knowledge. As such, I highly endorse a "liberal education" for all. Now, the fact that many educators are more politically left-leaning and also feel the need to indoctrinate their students politically is another issue entirely.

Author:	Hopwin [ Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:32 am ]
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Taly, my issue with this idea is that you create a trained intellectual elite and an under-educated permanent working class. Elmo, no. With globalization there is no longer demand in America for the type of manual labor that Wilson was referencing (manufacturing).

Author:	Talya [ Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:47 am ]
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Hopwin wrote: Taly, my issue with this idea is that you create a trained intellectual elite and an under-educated permanent working class. Why? I said "I'm a big proponent of a liberal education for all." If everyone gets that liberal education, what's the separator between the intellectual elite and an under-educated?

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Author:	Hopwin [ Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:36 am ]
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Talya wrote: Hopwin wrote: Taly, my issue with this idea is that you create a trained intellectual elite and an under-educated permanent working class. Why? I said "I'm a big proponent of a liberal education for all." If everyone gets that liberal education, what's the separator between the intellectual elite and an under-educated? Sorry I meant with Wilson's proposal, not your comment.

Author:	Arathain Kelvar [ Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:38 am ]
Post subject:	Re: The purpose and intent of our education system
Elmarnieh wrote: The question I ask is is the effect of our current system still the same as it was intended to be? Clearly not. However, while interesting, I don't feel it's a particularly important question. The important question is whether the effect of our current system of education is as it is currently intended to be.

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