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Author:  shuyung [ Tue May 29, 2012 2:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Remember climate change?

Apparently, the more you know, the more skeptical you are.

Spoiler:
A US government-funded survey has found that Americans with higher levels of scientific and mathematical knowledge are more sceptical regarding the dangers of climate change than their more poorly educated fellow citizens.

The results of the survey are especially remarkable as it was plainly not intended to show any such thing: Rather, the researchers and trick-cyclists who carried it out were doing so from the position that the "scientific consensus" (carbon-driven global warming is ongoing and extremely dangerous) is a settled fact, and the priority is now to find some way of getting US voters to believe in the need for urgent, immediate and massive action to reduce CO2 emissions.

A theory exists among some psychologists, sociologists and other soft "scientists" that it should be possible to convince the ordinary citizenry to accept the various huge costs advocated by environmentalists, by simply raising the level of scientific knowledge and numeracy. People would then be able to understand that there is a terrible danger facing the human race and so would support action to address it. Certainly it appears to be a fact that very few people in the general public – or indeed, in various architecture and industrial-design faculties – have enough basic physics and numeracy to join the debate at all (as the recent rash of human-powered "crowd farm" generator projects illustrates all too plainly).

Thus, in a just-published US National Science Foundation-funded study, participants' science knowledge and numeracy was tested and compared with levels of concern regarding climate change. The soft-studies profs were amazed, however, to find that as one moves up the scale of science knowledge and numeracy, people become more sceptical, not less.

According to the profs, this is not because the idea of imminent carbon-driven catastrophe is perhaps a bit scientifically suspect. Rather it is because people classed as "egalitarian communitarians" (roughly speaking, left-wingers) are always highly concerned about climate change, and become slightly more so as they acquire more science and numeracy. Unfortunately, however, "hierarchical individualists" (basically, right-wingers) are quite concerned about climate change when they're ignorant: but if they have any scientific, mathematic or technical education this causes them to become strongly sceptical.

As scientific/tech knowledge and numeracy appears to be more common among "hierarchical individualists" than among "egalitarian communitarians", this meant that in the sample as a whole the effect of more scientific knowledge and numeracy was to increase scepticism.

Given that the profs had assumed from the start that scepticism is wrong, this forced them to the conclusion that simply teaching people more science and giving them more facts and numbers is not a good idea as it will lead them into bad (sceptical) decisions. They write:

This form of reasoning can have a highly negative impact on collective decision making ... it is very harmful to collective welfare for individuals in aggregate to form beliefs this way.

One aim of science communication, we submit, should be to dispel this tragedy ... A communication strategy that focuses only on transmission of sound scientific information, our results suggest, is unlikely to do that. As worthwhile as it would be, simply improving the clarity of scientific information will not dispel public conflict ...


Thus it is, according to the assembled profs, that the US government should seek to fund a communication strategy on climate change which is not focused on sound scientific information.

It does not follow, however, that nothing can be done ... Effective strategies include use of culturally diverse communicators, whose affinity with different communities enhances their credibility, and information-framing techniques that invest policy solutions with resonances congenial to diverse groups. Perfecting such techniques through a new science of science communication is a public good of singular importance.

There's something of a push developing in psychology, sociology and other soft-science departments worldwide for this "new science of communicating science", which is supposed to galvanise the electorates of the developed world into demanding serious action against carbon emissions and acceptance of the serious sacrifices this would mean. We've compared this idea before to Isaac Asimov's science-fictional notion of the discipline of "Psychohistory" - a set of methods which could be used to manipulate populations on a large scale*.

This might be seen from an egalitarian communitarian viewpoint as a good thing, simply changing people's beliefs for the manifest collective good.

Your hierarchical individualist, however, might sneer cynically – first at the prospect of a shower of trick-cyclists managing to change his or her mind on climate change by means of spin rather than hard numbers. The hierarchical individualist might also view the "science of communicating science" push as a rather ignoble attempt by the soft-studies profs to get a share of the climate change research funding bonanza that has poured into the hard science and biology faculties in recent decades.

And anyone at all might be rather alarmed, perhaps, at the prospect of actual success in the matter of developing a working discipline of Psychohistory – which could and would surely be used in other areas than climate change policy, and would surely be a threat to democracy if it worked as advertised.

For all that there's no serious likelihood of the soft-studies profs genuinely managing to pump up climate fear successfully where legions of activists and climatologists before them have failed, US taxpayers of every political stripe might very well quarrel with the idea of spending their science budget with the aim of placing enormous political power in the hands of the trick-cyclist community.

The new study is published by Nature Climate Change here. ®
Bootnote

*Though in the Foundation saga this was only possible with vast galactic populations of the far future, with humans as numerous as gas molecules in a pressure vessel, and even then it was necessary to keep the existence of Psychohistory a secret.


note: Lost some formatting, bolding is preserved from the original.

Author:  Talya [ Tue May 29, 2012 3:36 pm ]
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Wow.

Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Tue May 29, 2012 3:40 pm ]
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Par for the course.

Author:  Rynar [ Tue May 29, 2012 3:43 pm ]
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Sadly, while **** like should startle you, I find myself totally unsurprised.

Author:  Talya [ Tue May 29, 2012 5:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Remember climate change?

Wait a sec ... educated, scientifically minded people are more skeptical, while the uneducated believe every word that the party their priest the media the good book the IPCC tells them?

Who'd have thunk it?

Author:  shuyung [ Tue May 29, 2012 5:29 pm ]
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No, see, you've drawn exactly the wrong conclusion. This is why you need to be re-educated.

Author:  Slythe [ Tue May 29, 2012 6:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Remember climate change?

Aside from the obvious bias revealed in the wording, and the attempt at obfuscation and just pure babble, the article doesn't actually dispute the veracity of the results of all the scientists who have studied the issue, as the veracity of scientific results are not dependent on popular opinion. As an example, just because some 'psychologists, sociologists', and others might use an 'underhanded' strategy in attempting to convince the populace that the world is round, that doesn't negate the truth of their message. Also, I don't agree with the claim that the message has until now been to merely 'present the science'. Very few people ever actually read all the true scientific papers on any given issue. It seems to me the message has been basically 'HIGW is happening, we've measured an increase in temperatures over time, glaciers are melting'. That's hardly the true science of it.

Author:  Corolinth [ Tue May 29, 2012 6:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Remember climate change?

You have to understand that "soft sciences" are not real science. That's why we put them in the Humanities buildings. It stands to reason they would be willing to throw science education under a bus to advance the global climate change agenda. The only way they can sell themselves as real scientists is if nobody alive knows the difference.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue May 29, 2012 7:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Remember climate change?

Some soft sciences are real sciences. If the approach is to use scientific methods of research, then its a science no matter how hard it may be to actually get a grip on what's being studied. What building they are located in says more about campus layout and budgeting than about what's a science and what isn't.

Author:  Micheal [ Tue May 29, 2012 7:41 pm ]
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Still think it is all part of the climate cycle. Climate change happens throughout history, since well before we had the ability to affect it, or for that matter, any members of the hominid line existed.

Author:  Hannibal [ Tue May 29, 2012 7:59 pm ]
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No no no no no no no.

Al Gore said the issue was settled. Then he waved his hand over the discrepencies and all was well. If the Republicans/Tea Party/Right wingers/scapegoat of the week would just get out of Obamas way, he would refreze the ice caps and make it a nice 72.5 degrees year round.

Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Tue May 29, 2012 8:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Remember climate change?

Corolinth wrote:
You have to understand that "soft sciences" are not real science. That's why we put them in the Humanities buildings. It stands to reason they would be willing to throw science education under a bus to advance the global climate change agenda. The only way they can sell themselves as real scientists is if nobody alive knows the difference.

There's something snarky to be said about Rasmussen et al. having a firmer grip on margin of error and sample size than "climate scientists" in here, but damned if I can figure out how to do it to my satisfaction.

It'd probably help if more "climate scientists" were, you know, like geologists or physicists or something. Then you could maybe do something with "political science" being more rigorous than "hard sciences" these days...

I don't know, I've got nuthin'.

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Thu May 31, 2012 11:54 am ]
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Becoming more knowledgeable about science requires skepticism.

I don't read this as educated people thinking it's wrong, they just learned that science is rarely that definitive for this sort of thing, and to recognize conflicting evidence.

All these researches accomplished was discovering what politicians already knew. If you want to persuade the public, listing facts and citing studies is not the easiest way to do it.

So, expect more "think of the children".

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