How about we just list the countries that are more awesome than the US, because that answer is NONE!
USA! USA! USA!
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| Author: | Aizle [ Thu May 31, 2012 8:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | What countries are more conservative than the US. |
Either politically, socially or both. I'm curious to see what people think on this one. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Thu May 31, 2012 8:36 am ] |
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Define "conservative" first, or this is turning into another **** semantical *****. Off the top of my head, from a socially conservative standpoint, there are dozens. Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Iran, Vatican City, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan.... wait, I'm sensing a pattern here. |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Thu May 31, 2012 8:52 am ] |
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Talya wrote: Define "conservative" first, or this is turning into another **** semantical *****. If I define it ahead of time, then we'll absolutely have the ***** as we spend 10 pages arguing over the definition. So just use your own definition. |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Thu May 31, 2012 9:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | What countries are more conservative than the US. |
Socially or fiscally. ? |
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| Author: | Talya [ Thu May 31, 2012 9:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What countries are more conservative than the US. |
Rorinthas wrote: Socially or fiscally. ? Fiscally, a majority of countries in the world are, by many measures, more conservative than the USA. The ultimate measure of fiscal conservativism is how much of a deficit/surplus one's government runs, in relation to the size of their economy. Canada is an obvious one. While we are running a deficit again since 2008, but it's a much smaller per capita amount. |
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| Author: | Jeryn [ Thu May 31, 2012 9:38 am ] |
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Since any kind of valuation is going to be purely subjective, I'll just throw out some information. Iceland, Ireland, Poland and pretty much the entirety of Africa and Asia prohibit abortion on request, which the USA allows. China, India (~35% of the world's population right there) and Japan join the US as countries that practice capital punishment. Ten countries allow gay marriage, which of course means there are nearly 200 that don't. Long story short: the USA isn't just in the company of theocracies and dictatorships. To channel Coro a minute - pretty much everyone sucks in some way or other. |
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| Author: | Dash [ Thu May 31, 2012 10:06 am ] |
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How about we just list the countries that are more awesome than the US, because that answer is NONE! USA! USA! USA!
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| Author: | TheRiov [ Thu May 31, 2012 10:32 am ] |
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Eagles always look like they're SERIOUSLY pissed off about something.... or disdainful. No wonder they're a good symbol for the US. |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Thu May 31, 2012 11:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What countries are more conservative than the US. |
Rorinthas wrote: Socially or fiscally. ? Whichever you'd like to look at really. I'll let you define your response as you like. |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Thu May 31, 2012 11:41 am ] | ||
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I have altered Dash's image to be more appropriately patriotic.
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| Author: | Rafael [ Thu May 31, 2012 12:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What countries are more conservative than the US. |
Aizle wrote: Talya wrote: Define "conservative" first, or this is turning into another **** semantical *****. If I define it ahead of time, then we'll absolutely have the ***** as we spend 10 pages arguing over the definition. So just use your own definition. It's worthless to even discuss without a common definition. It's worthless to discuss anything. I think Coro did an experiment to demonstrate this already. If you say use your own definition, this will simply devolve into a discussion of random qualities about different countries. |
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| Author: | Midgen [ Thu May 31, 2012 12:30 pm ] |
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This thread has soooo much potential entertainment value.... |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Thu May 31, 2012 1:18 pm ] |
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Rafael wrote: Aizle wrote: Talya wrote: Define "conservative" first, or this is turning into another **** semantical *****. If I define it ahead of time, then we'll absolutely have the ***** as we spend 10 pages arguing over the definition. So just use your own definition. It's worthless to even discuss without a common definition. It's worthless to discuss anything. I think Coro did an experiment to demonstrate this already. If you say use your own definition, this will simply devolve into a discussion of random qualities about different countries. I'm not trying to start a discussion so much as trying to get people's perspectives. Part of the perspective is how they define conservative. |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Thu May 31, 2012 1:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | What countries are more conservative than the US. |
It's hard to compare American conservatism to most other nations because they don't have the proper Federal/state balance of powers to deal with. It that way no country is as conservative as the US, with the possible exception of the United Arab Emirates. Conservatism is largely (as I see it) the idea that the Federal Government's power is very small and finite while the State's power is nearly infinite. (where as Libertarianism seem to be the idea that both are severely limited or nearly powerless. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Thu May 31, 2012 2:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What countries are more conservative than the US. |
Mexico has a very similar balance of power between the states and the Federal government (in theory) to the U.S. Interestingly, Mexico's image as a poor country is really a result only of its proximity to the U.S. and Canada. If it were located somewhere else, it would be considered a very powerful nation. |
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| Author: | Elmarnieh [ Thu May 31, 2012 11:42 pm ] |
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American Conservative? Classical Conservative? Dictionary defined conservative? European Conservative? Just pick one - you don't have to tell me what it means to you but I know what it means to me. |
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| Author: | Rynar [ Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:37 am ] |
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Elmarnieh wrote: American Conservative? Classical Conservative? Dictionary defined conservative? European Conservative? Just pick one - you don't have to tell me what it means to you but I know what it means to me. Plus more. Azile, your question is poisonous. Fix it. |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:44 am ] |
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Choose the one that you find most relevant or interesting and compare against that. I'm not choosing for you. I'm interested in other people's perspectives, not if they agree or disagree with my perspective. |
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| Author: | RangerDave [ Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What countries are more conservative than the US. |
If it helps, folks, just think of Aizle's question as being two questions: 1. What do you personally think "conservative" means? 2. Using that definition, what countries do you think are more conservative than the U.S.? One interesting thing that's already clear from this thread (not that it was a mystery before, of course) is that people who lean conservative (as this board does) strongly prefer clear, explicit rules and parameters! |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What countries are more conservative than the US. |
RangerDave wrote: One interesting thing that's already clear from this thread (not that it was a mystery before, of course) is that people who lean conservative (as this board does) strongly prefer clear, explicit rules and parameters! You forgot "and then spend 10 pages of posts arguing semantics about said rules/parameters." |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:07 am ] |
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Wikipedia has a list of countries and their conservation efforts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_reserve |
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| Author: | TheRiov [ Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What countries are more conservative than the US. |
RangerDave wrote: One interesting thing that's already clear from this thread (not that it was a mystery before, of course) is that people who lean conservative (as this board does) strongly prefer clear, explicit rules and parameters! Careful. Every time I say that, it turns into a brouhaha. |
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| Author: | RangerDave [ Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:25 am ] |
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TheRiov wrote: Careful. Every time I say that, it turns into a brouhaha. Nah, at most I can see there being a bit of a hullabaloo, but honestly, I don't expect there to be much more than a slight hubbub. A brouhaha seems unlikely though. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:24 am ] |
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Conservative means different things in different context. Here in Canada, Conservative can refer to a specific political party. A conservative investor is someone who is cautious and takes few risks. A conservative estimate is, likewise, avoiding the extreme possibilities and outliers. I was taught, in school, that a political conservative is someone who prefers the status quo, the traditional, and doesn't easily embrace change. That's generally how I view the word in my mind. It doesn't represent a specific ideology or dogma. A conservative in Soviet Russa Circa 1987 would be a hard-line communist, because at that point, 60 years of Russian tradition agrees with them. Todays revolutionaries, if successful, become tomorrow's conservatives. This definition holds up in many areas. "Social Conservatives" resist changes to social mores and traditions. Where it doesn't really hold up, these days, are in economics. The USA is more "socialist" at this point than the soviets ever were. The USA has a long-standing tradition of spending money that it doesn't have and forgetting about it. People still use "conservative" to represent fiscal responsibility, however. This confuses matters. |
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| Author: | Xequecal [ Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What countries are more conservative than the US. |
Diamondeye wrote: Mexico has a very similar balance of power between the states and the Federal government (in theory) to the U.S. Interestingly, Mexico's image as a poor country is really a result only of its proximity to the U.S. and Canada. If it were located somewhere else, it would be considered a very powerful nation. Australia also has a similar system of government to the US, in fact a bunch of situations in Australian history work as perfect examples of how, despite having less power than our federal government does, the federal government can pretty much ignore the states to push any agenda they want if they have enough political will behind them. |
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