The Glade 4.0

"Turn the lights down, the party just got wilder."
It is currently Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:14 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 17 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:18 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:44 pm
Posts: 2315
http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/11/news/economy/fed-family-net-worth/

Quote:
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The average American family's net worth dropped almost 40% between 2007 and 2010, according to a triennial study released Monday by the Federal Reserve.

The stunning drop in median net worth -- from $126,400 in 2007 to $77,300 in 2010 -- indicates that the recession wiped away 18 years of savings and investment by families.

The Fed study, called the Survey of Consumer Finances, offers details on savings, income, debt, as well as assets and investments owned by American families.

The results, though more than a year old, highlight the marked deterioration in household finances brought on by the financial crisis and ensuing recession.

Much of the drop off in net worth -- to levels not seen since 1992 -- was attributable to a sharp decline in housing values, the Fed said.

In 2007, the median homeowner had a net worth of $246,000. Three years later that number had fallen to $174,500, a loss of more than $70,000 on average.

Families who reside in the west and south, where the housing market was especially hard hit by the recession, were worse off than their peers in the rest of the country.

Making matters worse, income levels also fell during the tumultuous three-year period, with median pre-tax income falling 7.7% as earnings from capital gains all but disappeared.

The loss of income and net worth appears to have impacted savings rates, as the number of Americans who said they saved in the prior year fell from 56.4% in 2007 to 52.0% in 2010 -- the lowest level recorded since the early 1990s.

At the same time, some families were able to escape from debt, as the share of families with debt decreased slightly to 74.9% over the three-year period. Credit card use was down, and the median account balance fell 16.1%.

Meanwhile, families who did report carrying debt showed little change in the degree of indebtedness over the period.

Lower interest rates helped keep debt levels down, but the number of Americans who had fallen more than 60 days behind on debt payments still grew from 7.1% to 10.8% in 2010.

The report also indicated that families with more assets at the start of the recession were able to retain more of their net worth than less fortunate families.

Families in the top 10% of income actually saw their net worth increase over the period, rising from a median of $1.17 million in 2007 to $1.19 million in 2010.

Meanwhile, middle-class families who ranked in the 40th to 60th percentile of income earners reported that their median income fell from $92,300 to $65,900 over the same time period.


I'm surprised at how little attention this is getting, I had to go digging for it on CNN. Nearly half of all US net worth was erased in three years


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:30 pm 
Offline
adorabalicious
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:54 am
Posts: 5094
It is buried because it isn't good for Obama.

_________________
"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:07 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:32 pm
Posts: 210
How is this news?

_________________
Tangu Matraa


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:20 am 
Offline
Too lazy for a picture

Joined: Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:40 pm
Posts: 1352
larger value drop then expected/reported?

_________________
"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:28 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:22 pm
Posts: 5716
It's certainly newsworthy. My net worth has stayed about flat over that period.

I guess I'll call that a win, but I can't help thinking where I would be if the markets didn't crash.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:35 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:08 am
Posts: 6465
Location: The Lab
I haven't been terribly imperiled by the economy .. yet... but i've been careful too...

Owning two residences, I surely wish the housing market hadn't crashed. Someday I'd like to sell one of them and not take it in the shorts...


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:46 pm 
Offline
The Dancing Cat
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:21 pm
Posts: 9354
Location: Ohio
Arathain Kelvar wrote:
It's certainly newsworthy. My net worth has stayed about flat over that period.


Me too which means I've lost quite a lot in terms of buying power.

_________________
Quote:
In comic strips the person on the left always speaks first. - George Carlin


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:53 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:41 pm
Posts: 1012
Maybe because it was for several years ago? We all know the crash happened in 2007. And this just quantifies it?

_________________
When he's underwater does he get wet? Or does the water get him instead?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:57 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:35 pm
Posts: 396
I look at this with mixed feelings.
I lost 20% of my investments in a 48 hour time frame (previously discussed), My home value lost 55%.
My investments have recovered about 8% of the loss, My home has recovered about 30% of it.
Business is down locally about 20%, but nationally it has grown buy 250%. I have had to retain engineering firms in six new states this year to process plans and draw permits for me.
I'm not sure where the balance is, I'm working my *** off, money is coming in, but my leisure has been seriously impacted.

_________________
History of the Condom
In 1272, the Muslim Arabs invented the condom, using a goat's lower intestine.
In 1873, the British somewhat refined the idea, by taking the intestine out of the goat first.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:48 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:22 pm
Posts: 5716
Leshani wrote:
I look at this with mixed feelings.
I lost 20% of my investments in a 48 hour time frame (previously discussed), My home value lost 55%.
My investments have recovered about 8% of the loss, My home has recovered about 30% of it.
Business is down locally about 20%, but nationally it has grown buy 250%. I have had to retain engineering firms in six new states this year to process plans and draw permits for me.
I'm not sure where the balance is, I'm working my *** off, money is coming in, but my leisure has been seriously impacted.


Honestly, this has been my strategy as well. Get costs down (refinance, etc), and then just work my *** off. I'll worry about balancing things out when daycare costs are reduced and the economy recovers. Then I'll see where I am when the smoke clears.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:17 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:35 pm
Posts: 396
Unfortunately out of state jobs really don't keep the costs down, much smaller profit margin on them. I can be thankful though that it keeps the money flowing, and my people are working. Looking back through history it seems presidential election years have been a bit off.

_________________
History of the Condom
In 1272, the Muslim Arabs invented the condom, using a goat's lower intestine.
In 1873, the British somewhat refined the idea, by taking the intestine out of the goat first.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:17 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:36 am
Posts: 3083
What is it you do again, Leshani? It's large-scale construction of some sort if I remember correctly.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:35 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:35 pm
Posts: 396
not large scale, specialty construction and rigging.

_________________
History of the Condom
In 1272, the Muslim Arabs invented the condom, using a goat's lower intestine.
In 1873, the British somewhat refined the idea, by taking the intestine out of the goat first.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:09 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:36 am
Posts: 3083
Ah, gotcha. I was reviewing EPC contracts for a few power plants out in AZ and was just randomly curious if that's the type of thing you work on.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:26 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:35 pm
Posts: 396
I've done small scale stuff at power plants in the past. Last job we did was a rigging lattice to allow them to easily switch transformers. That was about 4 years ago.
Very challenging install, building a grid over a bank of HV transformers, and finding properly shielded hoist motors was a *****.
Lots of copper used in that to ensure grounding.

_________________
History of the Condom
In 1272, the Muslim Arabs invented the condom, using a goat's lower intestine.
In 1873, the British somewhat refined the idea, by taking the intestine out of the goat first.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:58 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:36 am
Posts: 3083
Leshani wrote:
Very challenging install, building a grid over a bank of HV transformers, and finding properly shielded hoist motors was a *****. Lots of copper used in that to ensure grounding.


Yeesh. And that, my friends, is why Lenders require such elaborate insurance packages and indemnification clauses in the EPC contracts! :D


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:29 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:22 pm
Posts: 5716
Leshani wrote:
I've done small scale stuff at power plants in the past. Last job we did was a rigging lattice to allow them to easily switch transformers. That was about 4 years ago.
Very challenging install, building a grid over a bank of HV transformers, and finding properly shielded hoist motors was a *****.
Lots of copper used in that to ensure grounding.


Ouch. Recently I designed a project within a substation with a direct line to a nuclear power plant, and when they began digging they found a previously unknown 13kv line right through the middle of my excavation area. The operator was understandably upset. But yeah, the grounding grids within that station were ridiculous.

Anyway, apparently it went out of the substation through the work area, went about a mile, looped around, and came back. It had no connections. They shut it down and didn't get any calls for outages. /headscratch


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 17 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 252 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group