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Author: | Foamy [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Father beats his daughter's molester to death. |
Surprised no one has posted this one. Short, short version: Man caught in act of sexually molesting a 5 yr old girl, beaten to death by her father. Link Spoiler: Justified homicide in defence of his daughter? Tough call, I can see any father doing this to protect their daughter, but beating him to death? Seems his community is rallying behind him. I really have to mull this one over on how I feel, honestly. Thoughts. |
Author: | RangerDave [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Father beats his daughter's molester to death. |
Depends on what the "beating" actually entailed. If he stood there pounding the guy in the head over and over for an excessive amount of time after he was already down, then yeah, that's voluntary manslaughter, subject to a temporary insanity defense. However, if he just punched the guy a few times more than strictly necessary, and the guy happened to die (which can happen from even one punch), then I'd say that's either not a crime (or at least not one you'll ever get a conviction on) or involuntary manslaughter at most. |
Author: | Nitefox [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:34 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Father beats his daughter's molester to death. |
I'd go the temporary insanity route. Get one father on the jury that has a daughter? No way he gets convicted. |
Author: | TheRiov [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:22 am ] |
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the prosecutor would voir dire any parents of girls off the jury and probably any parents at all. |
Author: | Nitefox [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:24 am ] |
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TheRiov wrote: the prosecutor would voir dire any parents of girls off the jury and probably any parents at all. He would try. |
Author: | TheRiov [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:54 am ] |
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challenge for cause is unlimited iirc. RD? |
Author: | shuyung [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:02 am ] |
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I am on board with this father's actions. |
Author: | Nitefox [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:03 am ] |
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TheRiov wrote: challenge for cause is unlimited iirc. RD? I thought it was each side has a limited number of challenges. |
Author: | RangerDave [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:08 am ] |
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Nitefox wrote: TheRiov wrote: challenge for cause is unlimited iirc. RD? I thought it was each side has a limited number of challenges. Each side gets a limited number of "peremptory" (i.e. discretionary) challenges, but there's no limit on removals for cause (e.g. bias, incapacity, etc.). However, you have to convince the judge that there's genuine cause for such removal, and I can't imagine parental status alone would ever be enough to establish bias. |
Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:52 pm ] |
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If I understand correctly, the beating was not "overly" severe, and the father was "remorseful" saying he didn't realize the guy would die. Initially, the interviewed officer said it was up to the DA, but he viewed it as defense. If the guy's head was smashed in, then yeah - probably excessive, but it's still a waste of time to prosecute. If you do get a conviction, he'll get 3-6 months or something and probation. All you've done is make his employment prospects more difficult. Is he dangerous? Apparently, but only if you attack his family. Is that the sort of individual we need to put away for the protection of society? |
Author: | Rorinthas [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Father beats his daughter's molester to death. |
He should have shot him, then it wouldn't be an issue? |
Author: | Foamy [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Father beats his daughter's molester to death. |
I think the difference lies in the fact that he beat him to death rather than shot him. How much and how long do you have to punch someone until the injuries become fatal? Perhaps an argument can be made (to prosecute him, that is) that during the beating he could have formulated an intent to kill? With a gun, it would have been a snap reaction with deadly force in defense of his daughter. Justified, I would assume, moreso than beating him with his bare hands. Maybe his rage was so great that what beating he did mete out was just that severe. If the law deems that there is punishment necessary, I hope that it is lenient. |
Author: | Elmarnieh [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:26 pm ] |
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People have died from one punch. |
Author: | Foamy [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:31 pm ] |
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Elmarnieh wrote: People have died from one punch. Sure that can happen, but in the context of this story this was not the case. From the original article reporting the story: Quote: The father returned to the house, caught the man in the act, and stopped him by striking him in the head several times, Harmon said.
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Author: | Slythe [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:32 pm ] |
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Elmarnieh wrote: People have died from one punch. Even one punch from a girl! |
Author: | Müs [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:32 pm ] |
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Don't care, molester's dead. Dude should get a medal. |
Author: | Jasmy [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Father beats his daughter's molester to death. |
If I had been in that father's shoes I'd have done the same thing! |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:03 pm ] |
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Foamy wrote: Elmarnieh wrote: People have died from one punch. Sure that can happen, but in the context of this story this was not the case. From the original article reporting the story: Quote: The father returned to the house, caught the man in the act, and stopped him by striking him in the head several times, Harmon said. No, but punches happen very, very quickly. Remember George Zimmerman? That's why (according to him) he was in mortal danger. Real people are not made of hit points. |
Author: | Rorinthas [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Father beats his daughter's molester to death. |
Texas has a lot of strange laws and precedents about this kind of thing, though most of them have to do with shooting. Personally I think even he deserved his day in court, but I'm not gonna get all worked up about what happens to someone during his/her commission of a violent crime. |
Author: | Leshani [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:27 pm ] |
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A fit of rage, I can see that as a defense. Justifiable homicide. This shouldn't even be going to court. Caught in the act of sexually abusing of a 5 year old, should be an automatic death sentence, to be carried out on the spot, by whatever means are available. |
Author: | darksiege [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:40 pm ] |
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Leshani wrote: Caught in the act of sexually abusing of a 5 year old, should be an automatic death sentence, to be carried out on the spot, by whatever means are available. Ummm hi... it was carried out on the spot, now they are trying to figure out what to do with him. |
Author: | Micheal [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:44 pm ] |
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I would not fire a pistol in the direction of my daughter. I might pistol whip the guy, at least until my daughter is out of the range of fire. I think he should get off by reason of justifiable homicide. |
Author: | Serienya [ Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:48 pm ] |
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My gut response was "good." |
Author: | Micheal [ Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:13 pm ] |
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If there is ever to be a justifiable reason for losing it and beating someone to death, catching them in the act of raping your young child should be it. |
Author: | Midgen [ Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:16 am ] |
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No charges http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/da ... 61018.html |
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