I don't want to presume anything so I will flat-out ask: Did you have a problem with Bush using Executive Privilege? If I recall the liberals at the time did.

I'm sure it does. Basically, you're saying, "Nobody died when Clinton lied." I wonder if anyone died on Bush's watch?

This is American politics in a nutshell, and the reason why my fellow countrymen drive me batshit. People are upset about the hypocrisy, but instead of demanding a real change, they just insist it was better when the other color was in charge.

I'm sure it does. Basically, you're saying, "Nobody died when Clinton lied." I wonder if anyone died on Bush's watch?

This is American politics in a nutshell, and the reason why my fellow countrymen drive me batshit. People are upset about the hypocrisy, but instead of demanding a real change, they just insist it was better when the other color was in charge.

Seems like a bad decision on the Presidents part, now there is no way to distance himself from Fast and Furiose, the scandal is his with no deniability. Unless there was something incriminating/dirty in the stuff the house wanted that would have implemented him, then he has nothing to loose.

It's just stupid grandstanding. The Dept of Justice is going to ignore the contempt charge, just like Bush's Dept of Justice did when the Democratic Congress held his officials in contempt.

Quite simply, there's a fundamental misconception at the heart of the Fast and Furious scandal. Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns that eventually fell into criminal hands. Issa and others charge that the ATF intentionally allowed guns to walk as an operational tactic. But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn. Indeed, a six-month Fortune investigation reveals that the public case alleging that Voth and his colleagues walked guns is replete with distortions, errors, partial truths, and even some outright lies. Fortune reviewed more than 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents and interviewed 39 people, including seven law-enforcement agents with direct knowledge of the case.

Does Screeling know his Sig broke last yearish?

I read the Fortune article. It was rather damaging to Issa's case.

That said, I've really had it with Obama (and Bush Jr., Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, etc.) claiming Executive Privilege for so many things. Congress and, if necessary, SCOTUS, really need to push back on that ****.

I read the Fortune article. It was rather damaging to Issa's case.

Several Republican lawmakers, including House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio), charged last week that President Obama’s decision to invoke executive privilege over documents related to the probe suggested that top administration officials were involved in withholding information.

“The decision to invoke executive privilege is an admission that White House officials were involved in decision that misled the Congress and have covered up the truth,” Boehner told reporters last week.

But asked Sunday whether he had any evidence to back up those claims, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) said “No we don’t.”

“What we’re seeking are documents that we know exist. . .that are in fact about Brian Terry’s murder, who knew and why people were lying about it and get to the truth. That’s all we want,” Issa said on “Fox News Sunday.”

It's hard to have evidence of anything when you don't have all the facts

This.


I think Obama finally got involved because there is more proof that they intentionally let these guns walk so they could push for more gun control here in the US.

I think Obama finally got involved because there is more proof that they intentionally let these guns walk so they could push for more gun control here in the US.