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Author: | Lydiaa [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Motel win for booming sex trade |
This is an article piece from the Australian, linky below on the topic of discrimination vs proprietor rights. At what point does the proprietor right start to infringe on discrimination? Do you support equal discrimination rules regarding hiring and customers, or just one and not the other? (or neither) Edit. Prostitution is a legal in Australia in most major states. Quote: SEX workers were last night celebrating a stunning victory in their battle against motel owners in the booming mining towns, after the Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal ruled in favour of a prostitute who complained of discrimination after being told she could not rent a room. The decision is likely to have ramifications for hotel and motel operators across Australia, who could now find themselves in breach of the anti-discrimination laws that exist in every state if they try to turn away prostitutes. Prostitutes have descended upon small towns near the large mines in record numbers over the past few years, determined to take a slice of the mining boom. They advertise their arrival in town in the local newspaper and see up to 10 clients a night. Motel owners claim they deter other customers. But when the owners of the Drover's Rest Motel in the mining town of Moranbah, which services the Peak Downs mine in Queensland, tried to turn away a sex worker known as "Karlaa" she sued in the tribunal, using the Anti-Discrimination Act, which bans discrimination on the basis of lawful sexual activity. ...She argued her use of the bed was no different from somebody who checked into a motel and used the phone or internet for business. Prostitution is legal in Queensland. Karlaa told The Australian yesterday: "At the end of the day, it's not acceptable to discriminate against people. What I do might not be to everyone's taste but it's legal, and it's how I make my living. "Not everyone would choose to do the job I do, but it's not right that they can treat me like a second-class citizen. They wanted me to go away, but I am a tenacious little terrier and I would not give up." The full judgment has not yet been released, but QCAT confirmed Karlaa's victory. She is seeking $30,000 compensation. Accommodation Association of Australia chief executive Richard Munro said the industry would have to examine the judgment before deciding whether to appeal "but in general terms, we say that it should be up to the owner, the proprietor, the licensee, to protect the amenity of their business". "People go to motels to sleep, to enjoy the premises, and if they can't do that because of the activities of another guest, the motel owner should be allowed to protect their business." The case featured in the June 30 issue of The Weekend Australian Magazine about the rise in fly-in, fly-out sex workers. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/na ... 6445124136 |
Author: | Lenas [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Motel win for booming sex trade |
In 'MERICA the owner of a private establishment reserves the right to refuse service to anyone, as should be the owner's right. If those ho's wanna knock boots do it at the John's house, in a car, or at your own home. No one should have the right to use someone else's place of business as their own against the owner's will. |
Author: | Lydiaa [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:07 pm ] |
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In 'MERICA, does the owner have the right to only hire male? or only purple coloured people? Does the owner's right extend to employees? |
Author: | Lenas [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:09 pm ] |
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Depends on the business, but generally no, you can't discriminate against employing someone based on age, race, sexual orientation or gender. I have heard of some successful firings of models that put on too much weight, though. That's just being bad at their job. Lydiaa wrote: Does the owner's right extend to employees? Not sure what right you're referencing here. Employees do have the right to refuse service, yes. Though it's unlikely an employee would do so without calling a manager or owner. |
Author: | Rorinthas [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Motel win for booming sex trade |
It varies. There was a big deal about Hooters not hiring enough men that got struck down. However skin color is generally protected by the equal opportunity employment commission. |
Author: | Lydiaa [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:19 pm ] |
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I guess it just got me thinking about the legislated requirement not to discriminate (in some cases reverse discriminate) your employees, yet there are no legislated requirements not to discriminate your customers. Why do you have the right to chose your customers but not the right to freely chose your employees? Personally I'm in favour of removing the legislation from both... |
Author: | Corolinth [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:33 pm ] |
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Typically, customers can choose to patronize other businesses. Discriminating against your customers is bad for business. Maybe someone don't like yellow people, but their money is as green as everyone else's. It's not that way for employees. If there was a business staffed by nothing but smiling white people, you would actually see more customers coming in. |
Author: | Rynar [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Motel win for booming sex trade |
Lydiaa wrote: This is an article piece from the Australian, linky below on the topic of discrimination vs proprietor rights. At what point does the proprietor right start to infringe on discrimination? Do you support equal discrimination rules regarding hiring and customers, or just one and not the other? (or neither) Edit. Prostitution is a legal in Australia in most major states. Quote: SEX workers were last night celebrating a stunning victory in their battle against motel owners in the booming mining towns, after the Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal ruled in favour of a prostitute who complained of discrimination after being told she could not rent a room. The decision is likely to have ramifications for hotel and motel operators across Australia, who could now find themselves in breach of the anti-discrimination laws that exist in every state if they try to turn away prostitutes. Prostitutes have descended upon small towns near the large mines in record numbers over the past few years, determined to take a slice of the mining boom. They advertise their arrival in town in the local newspaper and see up to 10 clients a night. Motel owners claim they deter other customers. But when the owners of the Drover's Rest Motel in the mining town of Moranbah, which services the Peak Downs mine in Queensland, tried to turn away a sex worker known as "Karlaa" she sued in the tribunal, using the Anti-Discrimination Act, which bans discrimination on the basis of lawful sexual activity. ...She argued her use of the bed was no different from somebody who checked into a motel and used the phone or internet for business. Prostitution is legal in Queensland. Karlaa told The Australian yesterday: "At the end of the day, it's not acceptable to discriminate against people. What I do might not be to everyone's taste but it's legal, and it's how I make my living. "Not everyone would choose to do the job I do, but it's not right that they can treat me like a second-class citizen. They wanted me to go away, but I am a tenacious little terrier and I would not give up." The full judgment has not yet been released, but QCAT confirmed Karlaa's victory. She is seeking $30,000 compensation. Accommodation Association of Australia chief executive Richard Munro said the industry would have to examine the judgment before deciding whether to appeal "but in general terms, we say that it should be up to the owner, the proprietor, the licensee, to protect the amenity of their business". "People go to motels to sleep, to enjoy the premises, and if they can't do that because of the activities of another guest, the motel owner should be allowed to protect their business." The case featured in the June 30 issue of The Weekend Australian Magazine about the rise in fly-in, fly-out sex workers. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/na ... 6445124136 If the hotel owners can't choose whom they will provide their services to, then the prostitutes shouldn't be allowed to choose either. |
Author: | shuyung [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:40 pm ] |
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I'm not sure that "discriminatory service policies" is a charge I've ever seen levied against a prostitute. |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:40 pm ] |
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shuyung wrote: I'm not sure that "discriminatory service policies" is a charge I've ever seen levied against a prostitute. |
Author: | Corolinth [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:40 pm ] |
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Tee hee. Rynar is so witty. Frankly, this sort of dispute is what we have courts for. The owner of a business should be able to refuse service to a customer. At the same time, a person who engages in legal commerce shouldn't be blacklisted by their suppliers. "Find a new job, whore!" isn't an argument that really carries a lot of water, either. Prostitute isn't exactly what little girls dream of becoming when they get out of school. |
Author: | Rynar [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:45 pm ] |
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shuyung wrote: I'm not sure that "discriminatory service policies" is a charge I've ever seen levied against a prostitute. Sure you have. Prostitutes file more rape charges than anyone. In Australia they should be prohibited from filing. |
Author: | Rynar [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:08 pm ] |
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Corolinth wrote: Tee hee. Rynar is so witty. Frankly, this sort of dispute is what we have courts for. The owner of a business should be able to refuse service to a customer. At the same time, a person who engages in legal commerce shouldn't be blacklisted by their suppliers. "Find a new job, whore!" isn't an argument that really carries a lot of water, either. Prostitute isn't exactly what little girls dream of becoming when they get out of school. If my business isn't mine, her business isn't hers. I'm getting sick of your idiocy dressed as snark scented roses. It's not impressive. You've been fumbling away in academia for too long. Get out and make something. |
Author: | Hopwin [ Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:03 am ] |
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Rynar wrote: shuyung wrote: I'm not sure that "discriminatory service policies" is a charge I've ever seen levied against a prostitute. Sure you have. Prostitutes file more rape charges than anyone. In Australia they should be prohibited from filing. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:33 am ] |
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Corolinth wrote: Tee hee. Rynar is so witty. Frankly, this sort of dispute is what we have courts for. The owner of a business should be able to refuse service to a customer. At the same time, a person who engages in legal commerce shouldn't be blacklisted by their suppliers. "Find a new job, whore!" isn't an argument that really carries a lot of water, either. Prostitute isn't exactly what little girls dream of becoming when they get out of school. As a matter of fact, it carries an enormous amount of weight, especially in a modern, liberal country where prostitution is legal and where by all appearances the prostitute in question is in fact choosing it over other types of employment. People engage in all kinds of jobs they didn't dream of as children to pay the bills; prostitution isn't entitled to special protection. The fact that this woman is suing and talking to the paper means we can pretty much rest assured she is not in some kind of actual or de facto sex slavery. the whore in question wrote: "What I do might not be to everyone's taste but it's legal, and it's how I make my living. Not everyone would choose to do the job I do,..." So yes, she can go get a new job if she doesn't like it. Furthermore, I'd be interested to know if she picks and chooses her customers on the basis of things like their attractiveness, or whether they are male or female. It's pretty damn likely she engages in discrimination herself under Australian law. There's no reason a particular business shouldn't be blacklisted by suppliers if those suppliers don't want to deal with that particular business. In point of fact, however, I'd be willing to bet that this woman, like most legalized prostitutes and those prostitutes that actually give a **** about the legal/political aspects of sex trade wants to have it both ways. She wants her "trade" to be a legal means of income, treated the same as any other business, but she also wants to be able to scream "rape" if a customer does something she doesn't like, retaining her right to say "no." That's all fine and dandy when she (or he, for that matter, if it were a male prostitute) is having sex on his or her own time and own dime, or when the business arrangement hasn't actually been finalized, but once money starts changing hands it isn't, and shouldn't be called, rape. It should be treated as a contract violation and to the extent anything criminal happens as A) theft of a service and B) (non-sexual) assault if any actual physical harm occurs, but rape charges should be off-limits to prostitutes in the course of their business. That doesn't directly concern the hotel, but it does illustrate the double standard that advocates of legalized sex trade tend to engage in. Personally, I don't care if it's legal or illegal; I think that's a matter of local concern, but if it is legal then it ought to be treated as a legal business in every way. As for "White, smiling people", white has nothing to do with it. Just having smiling employees is a major boost to one's business. People care a lot more about how they are treated at an establishment than the skin color of who is dealing with them. As far as Rynar being funny, you're in no position to complain about anyone else being a smartass. |
Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:52 am ] |
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Quote: They advertise their arrival in town in the local newspaper and see up to 10 clients a night. Motel owners claim they deter other customers. /hurl |
Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:59 am ] |
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Prostitute: I want to rent a room. Owner: No way, get out of here, whore. Prostitute: You're a jerk. I'm suing you! Judge: Whore wins. Owner: Damnit. Well, since you're in my motel anyway, let me on for a ride. Prostitute: No way, you're a jerk! Owner: Suing you. |
Author: | Xequecal [ Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:29 pm ] |
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Diamondeye wrote: As for "White, smiling people", white has nothing to do with it. Just having smiling employees is a major boost to one's business. People care a lot more about how they are treated at an establishment than the skin color of who is dealing with them. As far as Rynar being funny, you're in no position to complain about anyone else being a smartass. Most people care a lot more about how they're treated. Not everyone. The point is, even if only 1 in 100 customers care about the race of their customer service representative, that's 1 in 100 customers you lose by hiring a black guy. It is absolutely a disincentive against hiring black people. I mean, this issue is much more obvious in some professions than others, (remember the Hooters controversy?) but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist in every profession. Having a black person as the "face" of your company puts you at a disadvantage, and no smart manager is ever going to hire a black guy over a white guy with similar credentials for such a job if they can get away with it. |
Author: | LadyKate [ Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:23 am ] |
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Corolinth wrote: If there was a business staffed by nothing but smiling white people Chick-Fil-A is in that other thread. |
Author: | Talya [ Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:17 pm ] |
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I'm going to break ranks and side with the hotel owners. Which sucks, but I support the right to choose who you do business with. |
Author: | Rynar [ Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:13 pm ] |
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Talya wrote: I'm going to break ranks and side with the hotel owners. Which sucks, but I support the right to choose who you do business with. Break ranks with who? The hookers? I'm always learning new things about you. |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:08 pm ] |
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Rynar wrote: Talya wrote: I'm going to break ranks and side with the hotel owners. Which sucks, but I support the right to choose who you do business with. Break ranks with who? The hookers? I'm always learning new things about you. Break ranks with her sex-positive feminist stance that typically supports a legalized sex industry. |
Author: | Rynar [ Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:27 pm ] |
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Kaffis Mark V wrote: Rynar wrote: Talya wrote: I'm going to break ranks and side with the hotel owners. Which sucks, but I support the right to choose who you do business with. Break ranks with who? The hookers? I'm always learning new things about you. Break ranks with her sex-positive feminist stance that typically supports a legalized sex industry. Obviously, but if I went along with that I'd have lost the opportunity to make jokes! |
Author: | Talya [ Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:26 pm ] |
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Kaffis Mark V wrote: Rynar wrote: Talya wrote: I'm going to break ranks and side with the hotel owners. Which sucks, but I support the right to choose who you do business with. Break ranks with who? The hookers? I'm always learning new things about you. Break ranks with her sex-positive feminist stance that typically supports a legalized sex industry. There we go. |
Author: | Timmit [ Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:50 pm ] |
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I wonder if I ran a food truck in Australia, could I use this ruling to force them to allow me to use a rented room as serving space for my customers? Or any other hypothetical business I might run that would normally require a building... |
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