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Author: | Aizle [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Ban Lifejackets! |
Author: | Hopwin [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:24 am ] |
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I think you have your analogies mixed up. Banning lifejackets = banning condoms. Banning CPR = banning abortions. |
Author: | Müs [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:31 am ] |
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No, they both work. One naturally extends into the other. |
Author: | Corolinth [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:24 am ] |
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Yes, let's make equivalents between human reproduction and drowning. That's an absolutely brilliant idea for the future of the species. |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:27 am ] |
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Corolinth wrote: Yes, let's make equivalents between human reproduction and drowning. That's an absolutely brilliant idea for the future of the species. So, I don't get this thread's point. I think it's something about abortion and drowning. Are we advocating waterboarding babies now as a new abortion method? |
Author: | Müs [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:34 am ] |
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Its comparing condoms to lifejackets, and pregnancy to drownings. Metaphor wise, its not bad. After all, if you don't ever get wet, you can't drown. |
Author: | Nitefox [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:37 am ] |
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Another lib swings and misses. |
Author: | Vladimirr [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:47 am ] |
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<--- wayyy not a liberal, but I thought it was pretty good Aizle. |
Author: | Corolinth [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:56 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ban Lifejackets! |
(10:29:29 AM) Corolinth: Here's what gets me about this whole life jacket / Todd Akin thing. (10:29:53 AM) Corolinth: So the major backers are pro-abortion women, right? Who go on and on about the rights of their bodies. (10:30:02 AM) Corolinth: And fair enough, I support that aspect of the abortion debate. (10:30:40 AM) Corolinth: These are often women who crusade for breastfeeding as well, because it's this beautiful bond between mother and child, and other such stuff. (10:30:44 AM) Corolinth: So okay (10:30:55 AM) Corolinth: Pregnancy and motherhood is beautiful, I got that. (10:31:13 AM) Corolinth: But it's your body, you only want to go through it when you're ready for it. I can get on board with that. (10:31:40 AM) Corolinth: But if pregnancy and motherhood is beautiful, why equate it with drowning? Do you really want pregnancy and motherhood associated with suffering and death? The condom/life jacket thing is a red herring. First off, nobody's going to ban condoms. Second, people seeking abortions didn't use them in the first place. We're talking about abortion. Here's the thing: Pregnancy is a complicated issue. Women who are seeking abortions struggle with the decision. Nobody doubts that drowning is bad, and to be avoided. So, do you really want pregnancy and abortion associated with drowning? Here's why you don't: 1) You liberals equate new life to drowning. Clearly you're all sociopaths. 2) Abortion is like drowning! Finally, you liberals understand it's bad. We need to ban abortion. 3) The only way not to have abortions is to have abstinence-only birth control. Rock it to Russia, guys. |
Author: | Hopwin [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:08 am ] |
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^ Nice. |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:28 am ] |
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Another snarkrage fail. |
Author: | Müs [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:30 am ] |
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Depends on which side of the issue you fall on. I, who don't hold a lot of esteem for the sanctity of human life, found it pretty damn funny. Others, who are probably better people than I, may not find it as amusing. |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:33 am ] |
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Which issue? Contraception? Water sports? Abortion? Akins? Is it relevant? Does it make logical sense? No, and no. |
Author: | Müs [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:42 am ] |
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Contraception and abortion. And yeah, it does tend to make sense. After all, if you never go swimming(****), you won't ever need to worry about drowning(getting pregnant) will you? Lifejackets(condoms) don't always prevent drowning(getting pregnant) but they're better for the casual swimmer(****) that doesn't want to drown(get pregnant). But in some cases of being pushed in the water(rape) even though you may be drowning(pregnant) its OK, because your body has a way of rejecting that water(baby), so you shouldn't ever need CPR(abortions). Its nowhere near as amusing when you have to spell it out. And to be fair, the "legitimate pushing" dig at Akin extends the metaphor a wee bit far, but eh. |
Author: | RangerDave [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:46 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ban Lifejackets! |
Müs wrote: Depends on which side of the issue you fall on. Heh. Yeah, most of the Glade probably isn't going to find this funny. Personally, I thought the first part about lifejackets/condoms and abstinence was spot on, and the last bit, riffing off of Akin's idiocy, was decent. The second bit, though, trying to extend the joke to abortion, didn't really work. |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:54 am ] |
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Where's the big push to ban condoms again? Oh, that's right... The whole thing falls apart right from the beginning. Poorly thought out snarkrage. |
Author: | Müs [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:00 pm ] |
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Not about banning condoms, but pushing abstinence only sex ed to the exclusion of contraception education etc. But s'ok. Not everyone's gonna think its funny. |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:09 pm ] |
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Müs wrote: Not about banning condoms, but pushing abstinence only sex ed to the exclusion of contraception education etc. But s'ok. Not everyone's gonna think its funny. Then the headline should have read "We should do away with swim lessons..." or some such. Otherwise it falls apart right from the start. Müs wrote: Contraception and abortion. And yeah, it does tend to make sense. After all, if you never go swimming(****), you won't ever need to worry about drowning(getting pregnant) will you? Lifejackets(condoms) don't always prevent drowning(getting pregnant) but they're better for the casual swimmer(****) that doesn't want to drown(get pregnant). But in some cases of being pushed in the water(rape) even though you may be drowning(pregnant) its OK, because your body has a way of rejecting that water(baby), so you shouldn't ever need CPR(abortions). Its nowhere near as amusing when you have to spell it out. And to be fair, the "legitimate pushing" dig at Akin extends the metaphor a wee bit far, but eh. It's interesting that one would explain it so thoroughly without mentioning sex ed, if that's "what it's about". I guess it's pretty poorly thought out snarkrage if multiple explanations coming from multiple angles can't make it a cogent message. But s'ok. Not everyone's gonna think. |
Author: | RangerDave [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:10 pm ] |
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Vindicarre wrote: Where's the big push to ban condoms again? Oh, that's right... Well, there is a push to (i) prohibit the use of government funding (e.g. via Medicaid) for birth control, (ii) eliminate regulations requiring hospitals and health insurance to cover birth control, (iii) eliminate sex ed programs that teach about birth control, and (iv) permit individual states to outright ban birth control. The second-place finisher in the Republican Presidential primaries supported every one of those positions. And what do you think would be the next step for people pushing (i) through (iv) if states were again allowed to institute bans? So yeah, the snark isn't quite as outlandish as you seem to think. |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:16 pm ] |
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Sorry, the fact that "the second place finisher" backed positions similar to what you decry, kinda belies the fact that it's a winning argument; he lost. Crisis averted. |
Author: | RangerDave [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:24 pm ] |
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Vindicarre wrote: Sorry, the fact that "the second place finisher" backed positions similar to what you decries, kinda belies the fact that it's a winning argument; he lost. I didn't say it was a winning argument, just that there is a significant push for anti-birth control policies from a sizable contingent of the Republican party, and that makes the snark on that point reasonable. Imprecise, because it's humor not political analysis, but sufficiently on target to be effective parody. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:27 pm ] |
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Vindicarre wrote: Müs wrote: Not about banning condoms, but pushing abstinence only sex ed to the exclusion of contraception education etc. But s'ok. Not everyone's gonna think its funny. Then the headline should have read "We should do away with swim lessons..." or some such. Otherwise it falls apart right from the start. Müs wrote: Contraception and abortion. And yeah, it does tend to make sense. After all, if you never go swimming(****), you won't ever need to worry about drowning(getting pregnant) will you? Lifejackets(condoms) don't always prevent drowning(getting pregnant) but they're better for the casual swimmer(****) that doesn't want to drown(get pregnant). But in some cases of being pushed in the water(rape) even though you may be drowning(pregnant) its OK, because your body has a way of rejecting that water(baby), so you shouldn't ever need CPR(abortions). Its nowhere near as amusing when you have to spell it out. And to be fair, the "legitimate pushing" dig at Akin extends the metaphor a wee bit far, but eh. It's interesting that one would explain it so thoroughly without mentioning sex ed, if that's "what it's about". I guess it's pretty poorly thought out snarkrage if multiple explanations coming from multiple angles can't make it a cogent message. But s'ok. Not everyone's gonna think. Not to mention that evidently if a woman is drowning(pregnant) she should evidently be allowed to choose whether to get rescued (have an abortion) or swim to shore on her own (have the baby) but a man will keep getting whacked on the head with an oar until he's been in the water long enough because he should 'accept responsibility' (pay child support for years on end). It's hilarious that the idea that people should accept responsibility for the consequences of sex is treated as some sort of war on women, but suddenly becomes perfectly valid reasoning when applied to men. |
Author: | NephyrS [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:30 pm ] |
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Fine, let's make it "Ban teaching kids how to use Lifejackets, they only encourage risky behavior". Personally, I also think it would work with a "Ban on driver's ed teachers from teaching students to use a seatbelt when driving, as it will only encourage risky behavior". And it's probably the closest metaphor to states pushing abstinence only education. But I thought the original was pretty damn funny, myself. |
Author: | NephyrS [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:30 pm ] |
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Diamondeye wrote: Vindicarre wrote: Müs wrote: Not about banning condoms, but pushing abstinence only sex ed to the exclusion of contraception education etc. But s'ok. Not everyone's gonna think its funny. Then the headline should have read "We should do away with swim lessons..." or some such. Otherwise it falls apart right from the start. Müs wrote: Contraception and abortion. And yeah, it does tend to make sense. After all, if you never go swimming(****), you won't ever need to worry about drowning(getting pregnant) will you? Lifejackets(condoms) don't always prevent drowning(getting pregnant) but they're better for the casual swimmer(****) that doesn't want to drown(get pregnant). But in some cases of being pushed in the water(rape) even though you may be drowning(pregnant) its OK, because your body has a way of rejecting that water(baby), so you shouldn't ever need CPR(abortions). Its nowhere near as amusing when you have to spell it out. And to be fair, the "legitimate pushing" dig at Akin extends the metaphor a wee bit far, but eh. It's interesting that one would explain it so thoroughly without mentioning sex ed, if that's "what it's about". I guess it's pretty poorly thought out snarkrage if multiple explanations coming from multiple angles can't make it a cogent message. But s'ok. Not everyone's gonna think. Not to mention that evidently if a woman is drowning(pregnant) she should evidently be allowed to choose whether to get rescued (have an abortion) or swim to shore on her own (have the baby) but a man will keep getting whacked on the head with an oar until he's been in the water long enough because he should 'accept responsibility' (pay child support for years on end). It's hilarious that the idea that people should accept responsibility for the consequences of sex is treated as some sort of war on women, but suddenly becomes perfectly valid reasoning when applied to men. Paying money =/= a distinct chance of death or serious medical complications. |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:31 pm ] |
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RangerDave wrote: Vindicarre wrote: Sorry, the fact that "the second place finisher" backed positions similar to what you decries, kinda belies the fact that it's a winning argument; he lost. I didn't say it was a winning argument, just that there is a significant push for anti-birth control policies from a sizable contingent of the Republican party, and that makes the snark on that point reasonable. Imprecise, because it's humor not political analysis, but sufficiently on target to be effective parody. It's obviously not "effective parody" if someone who "gets it" and appreciates it, explains it (in detail) without ever touching the supposed "point". |
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