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Fabricated Pandemics Are Fun ... H1N1
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Author:  Khross [ Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:58 am ]
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/ ... 4829.shtml

Good stuff, good stuff.
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(CBS) If you've been diagnosed "probable" or "presumed" 2009 H1N1 or "swine flu" in recent months, you may be surprised to know this: odds are you didn’t have H1N1 flu.

In fact, you probably didn’t have flu at all. That's according to state-by-state test results obtained in a three-month-long CBS News investigation.

The ramifications of this finding are important. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Britain's National Health Service, once you have H1N1 flu, you're immune from future outbreaks of the same virus. Those who think they've had H1N1 flu -- but haven't -- might mistakenly presume they're immune. As a result, they might skip taking a vaccine that could help them, and expose themselves to others with H1N1 flu under the mistaken belief they won't catch it. Parents might not keep sick children home from school, mistakenly believing they've already had H1N1 flu.

n late July, the CDC abruptly advised states to stop testing for H1N1 flu, and stopped counting individual cases. The rationale given for the CDC guidance to forego testing and tracking individual cases was: why waste resources testing for H1N1 flu when the government has already confirmed there's an epidemic?

Some public health officials privately disagreed with the decision to stop testing and counting, telling CBS News that continued tracking of this new and possibly changing virus was important because H1N1 has a different epidemiology, affects younger people more than seasonal flu and has been shown to have a higher case fatality rate than other flu virus strains.

CBS News learned that the decision to stop counting H1N1 flu cases was made so hastily that states weren't given the opportunity to provide input. Instead, on July 24, the Council for State and Territorial Epidemiologists, CSTE, issued the following notice to state public health officials on behalf of the CDC:

"Attached are the Q&As that will be posted on the CDC website tomorrow explaining why CDC is no longer reporting case counts for novel H1N1. CDC would have liked to have run these by you for input but unfortunately there was not enough time before these needed to be posted (emphasis added)."

When CDC did not provide us with the material, we filed a Freedom of Information request with the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). More than two months later, the request has not been fulfilled. We also asked CDC for state-by-state test results prior to halting of testing and tracking, but CDC was again, initially, unresponsive.
The evidence continues to mount that the H1N1 "pandemic" is anything but. I wonder what sort of political agenda can be met by creating medical fears.
Author:  Leshani [ Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:19 am ]
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Wish I could find the local news article concerning the the cases of H1n1 as released by the cdc. It seems that recently the number of cases confirmed cases had tripled within a period of 72 hours, even though according to your article they stopped counting back in July.
Author:  Vindicarre [ Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:51 am ]
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Leshani, I remember that article too. They went from using "laboratory-confirmed cases" to "epidemiologists' best estimate". Here's the LA Times article.
Author:  darksiege [ Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:58 pm ]
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it is about as much of a government conspiracy as the all of a sudden disclosure that women do not need to start getting breast cancer exams until 50 years old.
Author:  Hannibal [ Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:30 pm ]
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Well it's odd that in conjunction with vaccine companies saying that they are behind in production, after Obama/Sebellius promised there would be enough, the media seems to have forgotten abou this "National Emergency".
Author:  Micheal [ Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:48 pm ]
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Even though the emergency was overblown, a couple people I've met once or twice (though not known well by any stretch) have died from the H1N1 flu, the focus of this 'over-hyped national emergency.' I lost a few days of work to a mild case of it myself, probably. It wasn't hitting me so bad, but I'm in that nice stretch of mid-late 50s people old enough to have been exposed last time through but young enough to not get all that hurt by it.

Yes, this 'pandemic' was overblown by the government and the media, but it doesn't make the flu any less deadly to those who get and ignore it until it is too late, which is what happened in both cases.

So go ahead and strut your callous jerk attitudes. People have died, people are mourning. Perhaps if 'the emergency' had been handled differently they may have listened, then again, maybe not.

This was not a nothing big case of the flu blown out of proportion. This was and is a deadly strain of the virus, though perhaps not as virulent as the media makes it out to be. The problem was in the delivery of the message, not the message itself.
Author:  Hannibal [ Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:57 pm ]
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I felt the issue was the communication surrounding H1N1. It was said that X,Y and Z demographic should be vaccinated immediatly- and then no follow up, no vaccines available.

Michael, I'll shed the same tear over H1N1 that everyone does over the normal flu which has still killed more this year. Even with the spotty recording of H1N1.
Author:  Corolinth [ Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:05 pm ]
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I'd be willing to bet everyone on this board knows someone who's died.
Author:  Lydiaa [ Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:13 pm ]
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Corolinth wrote:
I'd be willing to bet everyone on this board knows someone who's died.


personally or on the news? and will there be yummy food involved in the bet?
Author:  Diamondeye [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:06 am ]
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Khross wrote:
The evidence continues to mount that the H1N1 "pandemic" is anything but. I wonder what sort of political agenda can be met by creating medical fears.


I think I'll take "media agenda" for $100. I believe it's much more a matter of the media fabricating a crisis and the government trying to avoid the appearance of "not handling the crisis"... then belatedly trying to use it for its own purposes.

To give an example, the Army was in a big rush to get everyone the regualr flu vaccine (and of course it HAD to be the nasal one, which is **** gross :roll: :x ). We had it this past drill. No mention was made of an H1N1 vaccine. The DOD evidently is not all that concerned.
Author:  Elmarnieh [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:29 pm ]
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There are people who theorize that that is because the government doesn't want anyone in the military t receive the public h1n1 because its been designed to create a vulnerability to a later agent.
Author:  Diamondeye [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:14 pm ]
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Elmarnieh wrote:
There are people who theorize that that is because the government doesn't want anyone in the military t receive the public h1n1 because its been designed to create a vulnerability to a later agent.


I suppose the fact that the military hasn't told it's members not to get hte vaccine isn't a massive gaping hole in that to those people either. :roll:
Author:  Elmarnieh [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:19 pm ]
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I'm just saying what thought is out there.
Author:  Monte [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:26 pm ]
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Elmarnieh wrote:
There are people who theorize that that is because the government doesn't want anyone in the military t receive the public h1n1 because its been designed to create a vulnerability to a later agent.


*blink*

I'm sure there *are* people who theorize that. There are also people who theorize that the moon landing was faked, that Obama was born in Kenya, and that the WMDs are in Syria.
Author:  Diamondeye [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:44 pm ]
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Monte wrote:
Elmarnieh wrote:
There are people who theorize that that is because the government doesn't want anyone in the military t receive the public h1n1 because its been designed to create a vulnerability to a later agent.


*blink*

I'm sure there *are* people who theorize that. There are also people who theorize that the moon landing was faked, that Obama was born in Kenya, and that the WMDs are in Syria.


Heh.
Author:  Elmarnieh [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:35 pm ]
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No these are the kind of people who theorize that the US was involve din 9/11 and that the world is secretly run by the trilateral commission.

The alien moon landing fake people are also way different than the Kenya people who are different than Syrian WMD people.

Very little crossover in those groups.
Author:  Beryllin [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:55 pm ]
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And, of course, there's no possibility that the gov't would distract us with one hand while pulling shenanigans with the other hand.
Author:  Lydiaa [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:10 pm ]
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They over reacted based on the occurrence of bird flu just a year prior. I don't fault them for over-reacting this time, however I do fault the people who try to make money off the over-reaction.
Author:  Monte [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:37 pm ]
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And if they did nothing, I'm sure no one would be criticizing the government of not doing enough about the horrible pandemic.
Author:  Hannibal [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:41 pm ]
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Just holding them accountable for the words of their voice. Now come talk with me over by the Pit of Death.
Author:  Diamondeye [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:31 pm ]
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Monte wrote:
And if they did nothing, I'm sure no one would be criticizing the government of not doing enough about the horrible pandemic.


I'm sure someone would be, but they'd look very foolish. It's hard to cricticize the government for not doing anything about a problem that doesn't exist.
Author:  Lydiaa [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:39 pm ]
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While the swine flu isn't the crazy pandemic everyone's talking about, it is also by no accounts something that doesn't exist.
Author:  Diamondeye [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:09 am ]
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Lydiaa wrote:
While the swine flu isn't the crazy pandemic everyone's talking about, it is also by no accounts something that doesn't exist.


"The problem" would be the pandemic, not the swine flu.
Author:  Lydiaa [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:52 am ]
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yeah but it's a catch 22.

If there wasn't so much hype, then there would be less awareness. The ability of the flu to then spread and becoming a pandemic rises. The blame than falls onto the government for not letting people aware and covering up.
If there are too much hype, then people go into craziness over load. The ability of the flu to spread lowers due to higher vigilance, thus the risk of it becoming a pandemic decreases. The blame still falls onto the government due to over hyping.

There really isn't a win situation here for them.
Author:  Diamondeye [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:17 am ]
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Lydiaa wrote:
yeah but it's a catch 22.

If there wasn't so much hype, then there would be less awareness. The ability of the flu to then spread and becoming a pandemic rises. The blame than falls onto the government for not letting people aware and covering up.
If there are too much hype, then people go into craziness over load. The ability of the flu to spread lowers due to higher vigilance, thus the risk of it becoming a pandemic decreases. The blame still falls onto the government due to over hyping.

There really isn't a win situation here for them.


That part doesn't necessarily follow.
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