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Author:  Talya [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:14 am ]
Post subject:  Ugandan 'Kill the Gays' Bill & Church Influence

Uganda (an African country where the single largest religious group is Catholicism, at 42%) is once again attempting to pass a law that would give the death penalty to homosexuals and incarcerate those who support them.

Now, don't get me wrong, there are more Christian churches opposing this bill than promoting it (although not in Uganda itself -- even the normally LGBT-friendly Anglican church is spouting hateful rhetoric), but the primary impetus behind it appears to be American fundamentalist evangelical influence in the country, supported by local Catholics.

I could post a bunch of links, but here's the basics:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/ ... XR20120628

Author:  FarSky [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:31 am ]
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Yeah, this was nice:

http://twitter.com/BryanJFischer/status ... 1286794240

That's Bryan J. Fischer from the American Family Association, tweeting "Homosexuality now against the law in Uganda, just as it was for 200 years in the US. It can be done." and linking to an article from "men of faith" praising the Ugandan leader.

Edit: on the plus side, we just had an election that pretty soundly told these guys "**** off, we as Americans aren't putting up with your bullshit anymore."

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:37 am ]
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I don't know what "aggravated homosexuality" is, but it definitely sounds bad. Should probably be illegal....

It saddens me that US citizens are influencing this. Still, I don't think we can tell them not to.

Hopefully sensible minds will prevail. However, due to the AIDS epidemic in Africa, I suspect homosexuals are going to have a harder time than perhaps elsewhere.

Author:  TheRiov [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:14 pm ]
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Quote:
By contrast with the predominantly Muslim areas in North Africa and the Horn region, traditional cultures and religions in much of Sub-Saharan Africa have generally exhibited a more liberal attitude vis-a-vis female out-marriage sexual activity. The latter includes practices such as multiple sexual partners and unprotected sex, high-risk cultural patterns that have been implicated in the much greater spread of HIV in the region.[25]

HIV infection rates in East and Central Africa are generally moderate to high. Uganda has registered a gradual decrease in its HIV rates from 10.6% in 1997, to a stabilized 6.5%-7.0% since 2001.[1][25] This has been attributed to changing local behavioral patterns, with more respondents reporting greater use of contraceptives[citation needed] and a two-year delay in first sexual activity as well as fewer people reporting casual sexual encounters and multiple partners.[25] Similarly, the HIV infection rate in Kenya dropped from around 14% in the mid-1990s to 5% in 2006. Between 2004-2008, Tanzania had a prevalence rate of 3.4%, with Rwanda maintaining a regional low of about 3.0% since 2005.[1]


South Africa is the primary hotbed (no pun intended) of AIDS in Africa, but that is largely attributed to the heterosexual behavior of the men in that country.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ugandan 'Kill the Gays' Bill & Church Influence

Africa in general is plagued with poor education and endless conflicts driven by tribalism. As for churches and Christianity (and Islam) well.. I think most Christians from the Americas, Europe, Australia, or pretty much anywhere BUT Africa would be very surprised at what "Catholic" or "Anglican" (The second largest religious group in Uganda) doctrine involves.

As for church groups here in the U.S....

Well, most homosexuals in Uganda probably ARE christians themselves (the article indicates this, anecdotally), and as for the American "Family" Association and its ilk, these are the sorts of people that would regularly condemn Catholics and Anglicans alike as "Works-based churches" and quite a few less savory things if confronted with anything beyond what the fat man with the sweaty armpits decided was the "biblical" teaching this past week. It's amusing to see that they're all about supporting a population of RCs and Anglicans made up of people who are too poorly educated to understand the doctrines of their own faith, as soon as those people sponsor something that bears on an issue that the AFA has consistently been losing on in this country.

By the way, the Reuters link indicates that the death penalty was removed from the bill:

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Bahati re-introduced a mildly watered-down second draft in February and is confident of a "yes" vote even though the bill's progress has stalled at committee level.

The death sentence clause is gone, as is the demand Ugandans report gays to the authorities, he told Reuters.

Author:  Rorinthas [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:11 pm ]
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Again what they do in their privacy should be their problem and being openly hostile toward homosexuals right to exist doesn't help them with their greatest need.

It really saddens me that more people on my side of the issue don't get that. I'm rather sure no one at WBC has had any kind of open door opportunity to witness to homosexuals.

Author:  Uncle Fester [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:32 pm ]
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This reminds me why I wanted to create the Omnii "What's **** up in Africa now" thead

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