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Sister, 19, accidentally shoots dead brother in the head while posing with gun for Facebook picture
By PAUL THOMPSON
PUBLISHED: 13:27 EST, 2 January 2013 | UPDATED: 13:27 EST, 2 January 2013
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A 19-year-old woman accidentally shot dead her brother while posing with a gun for Facebook photos on New Year's Eve.
Manuel Ortiz died instantly after being shot in the head at about 6am on Monday morning.
Family and friends wept as his body was carried from his apartment in Phoenix, Arizona, where the shooting took place.
Police said 22-year-old Ortiz and his sister Savannah Ramirez arrived back at the home they shared on New Year’s Eve after spending the night drinking.

They were with two other people when someone in the group pulled out the handgun to take photos with it.
As the 19-year-old posed and played around with the weapon it went off striking Ortiz in the head, according to ABC15.
He was pronounced dead at the scene.
It is not known if the group knew the handgun was loaded.

Police say she has been questioned and released pending further investigation in the case.
Phoenix Police Sgt Steve Martos said the victim's sister would likely be charged with manslaughter if tests conclude she had alcohol in her system.
'Every New Year's Eve, this particular sister is going to be thinking about this for the rest of her life on how...drinking overnight, playing with a gun and now shoots and kills her brother,' said Phoenix Police Sgt Steve Martos.

Friends said the shooting was a terrible accident.
One friend who wanted to remain anonymous said she wanted to remember Ortiz as a 'kind, funny guy he was'.
'He was a very close friend to everybody. He was just always there and it's sad because one second he's here and the other he's not.'
'Every time he saw somebody sad or down he would be right there making jokes so you could be happy. Even if he was just having a hard time he was always there for someone,' said the friend.
Authorities are looking into who owns the gun.
On both Manuel and his sister's Facebook pages there are numerous shots of them posing with guns and making gang symbols.

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Author:	darksiege [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:10 pm ]
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Dumbasses on Parade... Spoiler: article wrote: Sister, 19, accidentally shoots dead brother in the head while posing with gun for Facebook picture By PAUL THOMPSON PUBLISHED: 13:27 EST, 2 January 2013 \| UPDATED: 13:27 EST, 2 January 2013 Comments (267) Share A 19-year-old woman accidentally shot dead her brother while posing with a gun for Facebook photos on New Year's Eve. Manuel Ortiz died instantly after being shot in the head at about 6am on Monday morning. Family and friends wept as his body was carried from his apartment in Phoenix, Arizona, where the shooting took place. Police said 22-year-old Ortiz and his sister Savannah Ramirez arrived back at the home they shared on New Year’s Eve after spending the night drinking. They were with two other people when someone in the group pulled out the handgun to take photos with it. As the 19-year-old posed and played around with the weapon it went off striking Ortiz in the head, according to ABC15. He was pronounced dead at the scene. It is not known if the group knew the handgun was loaded. Police say she has been questioned and released pending further investigation in the case. Phoenix Police Sgt Steve Martos said the victim's sister would likely be charged with manslaughter if tests conclude she had alcohol in her system. 'Every New Year's Eve, this particular sister is going to be thinking about this for the rest of her life on how...drinking overnight, playing with a gun and now shoots and kills her brother,' said Phoenix Police Sgt Steve Martos. Friends said the shooting was a terrible accident. One friend who wanted to remain anonymous said she wanted to remember Ortiz as a 'kind, funny guy he was'. 'He was a very close friend to everybody. He was just always there and it's sad because one second he's here and the other he's not.' 'Every time he saw somebody sad or down he would be right there making jokes so you could be happy. Even if he was just having a hard time he was always there for someone,' said the friend. Authorities are looking into who owns the gun. On both Manuel and his sister's Facebook pages there are numerous shots of them posing with guns and making gang symbols. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2Gwf6ETma Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter \| DailyMail on Facebook Article spoilered for the link impaired. All I can think of is "Dude... really?"

Author:	Foamy [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:18 pm ]
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So much stupid. People who have no respect for guns have no business even being in the same room with one. What a horrible price to be paid to learn such a lesson.

Author:	Micheal [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:29 pm ]
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First rule of gun safety - Always assume they are loaded until proven otherwise. Somewhere near the top - Never give a drunk person a gun. The life you save may be your own.

Author:	Talya [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:35 pm ]
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Micheal wrote: Somewhere near the top - Never give a drunk person a gun. The life you save may be your own. So...that begs the question: You responsible gun owners - what do you do with your gun if you're drinking (and therefore automatically irresponsible until the alcohol leaves your bloodstream)?

Author:	Müs [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:38 pm ]
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Its simple. Don't carry if you're drinking. Or on drugs. Or in any other way impaired.

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Author:	Rafael [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:41 pm ]
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I don't handle a weapon unless I'm sober enough to drive. A gun is a much less complicated piece of machinery than a car. I cannot carry concealed because my state essentially doesn't allow CC permits to be issued to civs. If I did carry, I would probably remained armed but there is very little use in having a gun if even slightly intoxicated; it's hard enough to shoot and use it to defend your life sober. I can't imagine it being very effective in the hands of a drunk.

Author:	Corolinth [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:45 pm ]
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Well, that's an interesting question seeing as how I don't drink. The other two gun owners that I personally know do drink, but not to any great excess. To my knowledge, my father has never been intoxicated in my lifetime. If he has, it was while playing darts at a tavern, while his firearms were either at his house, or at his parents' farm where said firearms are used.

Author:	DFK! [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:29 pm ]
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In Ohio, unless I want to commit a felony, I can't carry into any business that serves alcohol for on-premises consumption (bar, restaurant, etc.). Therefore, it stays in the car. At home, I don't get the gun out unless I'm cleaning it, installing accessories, taking it to the range, or actively doing something with it that doesn't include taking dumbass pictures.

Author:	Leshani [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:28 pm ]
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alcohol and firearms don't mix. If I go to a restaurant that allows fire arms by law I'm not allowed to drink. Bars are by law no weapons allowed. Home/friends common sense put the guns away. Granted it's not uncommon to pop a beer when I get home before I've disarmed. But drunk with gun I'd have to deal with my wife. Guns are tools, not something that need to be shown off or bragged about it.

Author:	Diamondeye [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:56 pm ]
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Talya wrote: Micheal wrote: Somewhere near the top - Never give a drunk person a gun. The life you save may be your own. So...that begs the question: You responsible gun owners - what do you do with your gun if you're drinking (and therefore automatically irresponsible until the alcohol leaves your bloodstream)? You lock it up, and don't get it out. Having had a few drinks does not magically remove your ability to know you shouldn't be handling the gun, any more than it makes you magically unable to realize you shouldn't drive. One or two drinks don't make you too irresponsible to handle a gun, either, any more than they make you too drunk to drive, but you just shouldn't do it. It's better to take away all chance of an accident.

Author:	Rynar [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:41 am ]
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When I'm out drinking, I don't drive. Given that, I don't have a place to secure it, so it stays home.

Author:	Jasmy [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:08 am ]
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My rifle stays in the bedroom closet in it's case, unloaded, until such time as hubby gets drunk and decides to clean it, then hears a noise and loads it. Once he passes out I take it, unload it, and put it away again. I really need to get a better storage place for it. Thankfully, we don't have any handguns...yet. (He does know how to handle a weapon, he was a Marine in Viet Nam...but he is also an alcoholic )

Author:	Lalaas [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:33 am ]
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Did anyone else initially parse the title of the article like this? Quote: Sister, 19, accidentally shoots dead brother in the head No? Just me wondering why shooting an already dead person made the news? Ok then. Move along.

Author:	FarSky [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:45 am ]
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Not just you.

Author:	Hannibal [ Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:25 am ]
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Id like to see how these deaths get recorded. As firearm death? Accidential? Alcohol related? All three?

Author:	Corolinth [ Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:40 pm ]
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It'll end up recorded as a firearm death. We have to boost the numbers. In 2011, firearms were behind hammers for total kills.

Author:	darksiege [ Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:21 pm ]
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Corolinth wrote: It'll end up recorded as a firearm death. We have to boost the numbers. In 2011, firearms were behind hammers for total kills. Well ya know.... Sometimes a muthafukka just needs to die... And all you have access to is a tool box. A screwdriver is like a shiv, who remembers that? Hit a dude with a hammer: people will remember you... Sent from my SpringBoard using Tapatalk 2

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Author:	Foamy [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:55 am ]
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Nope, not just you two.

Author:	Talya [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:51 am ]
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Me, too.

Author:	Corolinth [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:38 pm ]
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I suspect it was supposed to read "shoots brother dead".

Author:	Arathain Kelvar [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:15 pm ]
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The real question is, did she double-tap in accordance with rule #2?

Author:	Lenas [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:40 pm ]
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Lalaas wrote: Did anyone else initially parse the title of the article like this? Quote: Sister, 19, accidentally shoots dead brother in the head No? Just me wondering why shooting an already dead person made the news? Ok then. Move along. I read it that way and ignored the rest of the thread, wondering why there were so many comments. Now I understand.

Author:	Diamondeye [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:19 pm ]
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Reminds me of a headline blooper I saw once, from way back: "Police Suspect Foul Play in Death of Man Found Bound and Hanged".

Author:	darksiege [ Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:37 am ]
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They should have a category for "dumb **** removing themselves from the genepool while trying to be 'cool'" If they did that, do you realize how low the gun death numbers would likely be? Sent from my SpringBoard using Tapatalk 2