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Author:  Nitefox [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Giving the bird to a cop legal

Not that ever gave it much thought...but...well here ya go...

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01 ... rrest?lite


Quote:
A New York man arrested after he gave the finger to a police officer can sue police for malicious prosecution, a federal appeals court ruled Thursday, overturning a lower-court decision that deemed the officer's response reasonable.

In its decision, the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said that giving someone the finger is an "ancient gesture of insult" and "is not the basis for a reasonable suspicion of a traffic violation or impending criminal activity."

The incident took place in May 2006, court documents say, when John Swartz and his wife, Judy Mayton-Swartz, were driving through the upstate village of St. Johnsville, N.Y., to the home of Judy’s son.

Swartz was in the passenger seat when he noticed a local officer, Richard Insogna, in a police car using a radar device. Expressing his displeasure, Swartz reached "his right arm outside the passenger side window and extending his middle finger over the car’s roof," according to court documents.

The couple continued their drive, but upon reaching their destination and getting out of the car, they saw an approaching police car with its lights flashing.

Ordering them to get back into the vehicle, Insogna told the couple this was a traffic stop and requested their documents. Swartz told his wife not to show the officer anything, prompting Insogna to say, "Shut your mouth, your *** is in enough trouble." Then, after checking the woman's license and registration, Insogna called for backup, according to court documents. Three other officers soon appeared.

After being told he and his wife were free to go, Swartz tried to speak with Insogna, but the other officers stepped in front of him.

Swartz was arrested after he either muttered or shouted, depending on whose account one reads, that he felt "like an ***."
At the station, he was told he had been arrested for disorderly conduct, a charge that was later dismissed.

Swartz's lawyer, Elmer Robert Keach III, praised the court's decision, The Associated Press reported.

"It reaffirms that just because you insult a police officer [it] doesn't give that police officer the right to detain you or arrest you and take away your liberty," Keach told The AP, calling the decision an "important victory for civil rights."

A lower-court in Albany had previously tossed out the couple's claim because police insisted they had stopped the couple out of concern for the woman's safety.

In his deposition, Insogna said Swartz's gesture made him "concerned for the female driver, if there was a domestic dispute.”

But the appeals court deemed his conclusion unreasonable. "Indeed, such a gesture alone cannot establish probable cause to believe a disorderly conduct violation has occurred," court documents read.

The court added, however, that the merits of Swartz's lawsuit, which seeks unspecified damages, still must be litigated at a separate trial.


Stupid on both sides if you ask me. Dude, don't be an ***...Cop, it's just the finger...simmer down.

Author:  Aizle [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:56 pm ]
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You head it first here, but I completely agree with Nitefox.

on this issue anyway...

Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:03 pm ]
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I'm a bit confused, though -- the cops arrested the guy for muttering (or shouting, I suppose), that he "felt like an ***"?

So apologizing is disorderly conduct?

Author:  FarSky [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:08 pm ]
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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
I'm a bit confused, though -- the cops arrested the guy for muttering (or shouting, I suppose), that he "felt like an ***"?

So apologizing is disorderly conduct?

GOOMH.

Author:  Midgen [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:40 pm ]
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By someone's definition of "Orderly" :D

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:44 pm ]
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You should be able to give a cop the bird. No, you shouldn't do it.

The real issue here, IMO, is the overuse of the disorderly conduct law. Talking back to a cop is not disorderly conduct, especially if you are complying with what you are being asked to do. This is simply just cops abusing their authority to punish someone for lawfully being an ***.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Giving the bird to a cop legal

Text of the decision

The case was remanded to the trial court because the summary judgement, when the facts are viewed in a light most reasonable to the plantiff, was in error. The court did not make a decision on the reasonableness of the officer's actions; what they decided was that there is enough of a question that the trial court should not have granted summary judgement.

Author:  Hannibal [ Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:23 am ]
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They might as well change it from disorderly conduct to "I can't arrest him for anything except this vague ####"

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