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Author:  Rorinthas [ Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:17 am ]
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Oregon state Rep. Mitch Greenlick, a Democrat, is sponsoring a bill that makes cigarettes controlled substance, equatable with ketamine, lysergic acid and anabolic steroids. The bill would force all cigarette smokers to carry a prescription from a doctor or face jail time.
Offenders of the proposed law would face maximum punishments of one year in prison, a $6,250 fine or both, Fox 12 Oregon reports.
“I think it’s pretty crazy,” Juan Silva of Salem, Ore., told Fox 12. “I don’t see it going through. It’s going to be something to watch for, but I don’t think it’ll pass.”
Others think the measure is a good idea, arguing it will make people more aware of the dangers of cigarette smoke.
“I hope it passes, and I hope people actually think about it,” said Rick Cannon of Salem. “You know there’s less and less smokers everyday because they know how bad it is for them, so I just hope people wake up and realize how bad it actually is for them.”


I thought it was a bad thing politically to tell people what to do with their bodies, at least that's what all those democrat pro-abortion people keep telling me /boggle
Author:  Corolinth [ Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:49 am ]
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Honestly, if marajuana is going to be a type one controlled substance, alcohol and tobacco should go on the list as well.
Author:  Diamondeye [ Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:08 am ]
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We already tried that. It didn't work out too well.
Author:  Raell [ Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:01 am ]
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“You know there’s less and less smokers everyday because they know how bad it is for them, ...”


Maybe 1 out of 10 people will give up smoking for that reason.

The other 9 do it because it cost so **** much now. Poor people can no longer afford it.
Author:  Talya [ Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:57 am ]
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Diamondeye wrote:
We already tried that. It didn't work out too well.




Yeah. I think his point is about MJ, not about alcohol and tobacco.
Author:  Rorinthas [ Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:17 am ]
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I've said before we are rather inconsistent on these things. I'm not endorsing any of them, but at the same time I realize that not everything I feel is immoral is illegal nor is it reasonable or possible to do so in this age. I could not in good conscience vote to legalize something I feel is immoral, but as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others, I realize its out of my hands to a point.
Author:  Diamondeye [ Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:08 am ]
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Talya wrote:
Diamondeye wrote:
We already tried that. It didn't work out too well.


Yeah. I think his point is about MJ, not about alcohol and tobacco.


I know. Consistency, however, is a means, not an end in itself.
Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:11 pm ]
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Oh, this is pretty awesome. So now, we're going to make doctors fill out prescriptions for recreational use of carcinogens. You know, the guys who have sworn primum non nocere?
Author:  Diamondeye [ Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:25 pm ]
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I think you've just hit on the goal. They can claim cigarettes aren't "banned" because doctors can perscribe them, even though there's pretty much no reason for a doctor to ever actually do so.
Author:  Sam [ Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:41 pm ]
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Actually doctors already do this in certain cases (albeit, not the exact same way as being suggested here).

Hospitals are now smoke free, and as such, I've seen doctors write instruction for a patient to be allowed to smoke in their room because of dependency.

That said, I'm really tired of these **** moronic Republicans and Democrats. Religion vs Big Brother......both want to dictate our lives from the sky.
Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:29 pm ]
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Democrats: Legalize marijuana! Outlaw smoking!
Author:  Rafael [ Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:14 pm ]
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I went and bought cigars and shisha today just to shove it up the craw of the anti-smoking lobby. I don't even smoke habitually.
Author:  Lenas [ Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:01 pm ]
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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Democrats: Legalize marijuana! Outlaw smoking!


I'm happy with legalizing marijuana under the current tobacco restrictions... 18+ and no smoking within X yards of businesses.
Author:  FarSky [ Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:33 pm ]
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Lenas wrote:
Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Democrats: Legalize marijuana! Outlaw smoking!


I'm happy with legalizing marijuana under the current tobacco restrictions... 18+ and no smoking within X yards of businesses.

+1
Author:  Micheal [ Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:43 am ]
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Plow the fields under, salt them and cover them with concrete.

Making possessing tobacco penalties equivalent to about 50 years ago.

Execute the corporate leadership. Lesser sentences for the wage slaves.

All stock in these now existent companies is deemed worthless.

Turn all assets over to cancer research and smoking/dipping/whatever cessation programs.

Oh, have I ever mentioned I'm not very fond of tobacco smoke?
Author:  Müs [ Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:17 am ]
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Micheal wrote:
Plow the fields under, salt them and cover them with concrete.

Making possessing tobacco penalties equivalent to about 50 years ago.

Execute the corporate leadership. Lesser sentences for the wage slaves.

All stock in these now existent companies is deemed worthless.

Turn all assets over to cancer research and smoking/dipping/whatever cessation programs.

Oh, have I ever mentioned I'm not very fond of tobacco smoke?


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Author:  Aizle [ Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:15 pm ]
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Oddly enough, I really dislike cigarettes but enjoy the occasional cigar. I actually just came back from Nicaragua where I picked up several from a couple of the local manufacturers down there. I use the term manufacturer loosely by the way. I stopped at Don Elba's and not only did I get a small tour of where they make them (one room) and info on how they select and make them. They made me one on the spot which I smoked there with some Flor de Cana rum. Awesome way to spend an afternoon.
Author:  Müs [ Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:51 pm ]
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Aizle wrote:
Oddly enough, I really dislike cigarettes but enjoy the occasional cigar. I actually just came back from Nicaragua where I picked up several from a couple of the local manufacturers down there. I use the term manufacturer loosely by the way. I stopped at Don Elba's and not only did I get a small tour of where they make them (one room) and info on how they select and make them. They made me one on the spot which I smoked there with some Flor de Cana rum. Awesome way to spend an afternoon.


Awesome :)

I don't mind having an occasional cigar either. Especially with some good whisky.
Author:  Numbuk [ Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The next step in the war against smoking?
I'm a non-smoker in a non-smoking household and I find much of the anti-smoking campaign offensive. Much the same way I find any heavy-handed message with an agenda offensive (whether I agree with the base opinion or not).

What (adult) people do to their own bodies on their own time is their own business. The only problem I have with many/most/(all?) smokers, the only only only problem I have is when they have zero regard for not littering.

I do find it a bit odd that there is such a strong movement against smoking. But I haven't seen equally similar movements against other "harmful" activities like drinking and (especially) too much media (television, movies, games, social networks, etc). Possibly because of similar reasons why the news never reports on things like "too much television is not a good idea."
Author:  Rorinthas [ Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:32 pm ]
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The whole world is your ash tray irks me ad well however that could be remedied by the enforcement of excisting laws if folks had the wherewithal.
Author:  Lenas [ Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:43 pm ]
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The worst part about smokers is that they smell like death. A smoker with BO is one of the most disgusting things ever.

My thoughts when I see the thread title:
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Author:  NephyrS [ Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:10 pm ]
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I'm of two minds on this.

I don't like the anti-smoking push to be so strong, but at the same time, I'm allergic enough to smoke that it's very uncomfortable to have to breathe it in walking on the sidewalk past someone who is smoking.

So I'm OK with "time & place" restrictions, but think people should be able to do whatever they want in the privacy of their own homes.

Of course, then there's the "what about kids with chain smoking parents", since the research definitely backs it up as being a huge, huge health risk to them- second hand smoke is way more carcinogenic than primary smoke, due to the filters on most cigarettes.

And on that front, we restrict some things parents might do to their children as negligent or harmful, but it's important to not have the "state" step into that relationship too much.

Hence, two minds. I have yet to see a solution I'm really happy with holistically, especially with the second hand smoke and children issue.
Author:  Midgen [ Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:22 pm ]
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As someone who grew up as a young child stuck in a car, and a house, with two smoking parents, who were oblivious, and someone who is extremely sensitive (i won't say allergic because I've never been tested) to smoke of any kind, I'm ok with use with restrictions (in regards to public places).

I'm very conservative when it comes to individual rights, especially when it comes to what you do in the privacy of your own home...

However, I really struggle with the situation where kids.. especialy young kids, are stuck in homes with smokers, or stuck riding in cars with parents/siblings who smoke.
Author:  Lydiaa [ Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:08 am ]
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There is currently a war against smoking, just cause it’s the easier thing to do. while "think of the kids" pull on your heart string, reality is if you’re a bad parent, you’re going to be subjecting your kids to bad stuff, not just second hand smoke. Alcohol and unhealthy foods affect the child just as much as second hand smoke, and alcohol in particular have the potential for emotional trauma in a child.

Is smoking bad? Of course, but so are most good things in life, when taken to the extreme. If you’re going to take the worst example of any addiction as the reason for banning something, you could essentially ban any activity. Notice how all current studies on smoking use those who smoke more than a pack a day? That’s about 30 minutes per smoke (while awake), day in, day out.

I often get surprised reactions from people when they realise I smoke. I don’t smell, I don’t litter, I don’t smoke around venues where there are children and I don’t smoke in enclosed areas even when smoking is allowed. I’m a responsible smoker, just like responsible drinkers, responsible gun owners and responsible parents.

But self responsibility never gets mentioned when the masses wants something banned, it’s just inconvenient.
Author:  Corolinth [ Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:30 am ]
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If you really want to help the children, get them away from the 75% of humanity that's too stupid to be trusted with them.
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