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| Author: | Ladas [ Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Health care speech topic |
Guess I'm consolidating the topics on the speech a bit, but here are two links: Transcipt of Obama's speech. Its on Foxnews, but after looking at several website, I thought the way they formatted the transcript was the most readable, and accurate in terms of delivery (where applause occured, etc). Transcript of the GOP Rebuttal. Again, from Foxnews, but oddly enough, sites like CNN didn't have it, or it wasn't easily found. |
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| Author: | Monte [ Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:22 pm ] |
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I was terribly pleased that he called out the liars for what they are. I was not entirely pleased that he make the public option non negotiable. I get why, I just don't like it. I'm personally in favor of doing away with private health insurance, since I don't feel they do any good for health care and only drive up costs, and simply expanding medicare. |
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| Author: | Müs [ Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:26 pm ] |
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I, for one, don't want Medicare. I'll be paying the same, or more for worse service. THis is not acceptable to me, I don't care how many more people will be insured by the program, I'm not them. I absolutely DO NOT want my level of service to decline to the farce that medicare is because some people aren't insured. |
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| Author: | Elmarnieh [ Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:58 pm ] |
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Doctors and patients will be forced to arrive at a mutually agreeable price via trade independent of the existing monetary system. Yes a black market for healthcare. |
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| Author: | Monte [ Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:28 pm ] |
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Do you honestly think that would be the result of the policy proposed last night? |
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| Author: | Screeling [ Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:52 am ] |
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Do you honestly think your current overlords will submit themselves to the same level of care you'll be getting? |
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| Author: | Monte [ Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:55 am ] |
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Do you honestly think that's a rational question? |
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Health care speech topic |
Do you guys always answer a question with a question? |
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| Author: | Khross [ Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:05 am ] |
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Monte wrote: Do you honestly think that's a rational question? It is a rational question. There has been extensive debate in the Senate over precisely that issue.
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:30 am ] |
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Monte wrote: Do you honestly think that's a rational question? Stop using words you don't understand. |
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| Author: | Screeling [ Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:16 am ] |
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Monte wrote: Do you honestly think that's a rational question? Indeed I do. The fact that they don't intend to should frighten you all the more. It would seem the ruling elite are more equal than the rest of us. |
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| Author: | Müs [ Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:00 pm ] |
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Monte wrote: Do you honestly think that would be the result of the policy proposed last night? As to my reply, Yes. 100%. If the Overlords are going to exempt themselves from the plebian portion of the insurance... I want what they're using. Failing that, I want what I have now. There are no fathomable improvements to our current system that the government can make. If they start sticking their fat fingers into the pie, its *going* to get worse. Instead of good care for some, mediocre care for others, and none for a few... its going to be shitty care for all. |
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| Author: | Elmarnieh [ Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:01 pm ] |
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Liberals always seek the equality of the grave for us all. |
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| Author: | Vindicarre [ Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:20 pm ] |
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Müs wrote: Instead of good care for some, mediocre care for others, and none for a few... its going to be shitty care for all. That's exactly what the libs and "progressives" want. The libs want it because government mandated distribution of goods and services is their goal in all things. The "progressives" want it because it will allow more power to accumulate in the hands of those "who know what's best" for us. |
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| Author: | Elmarnieh [ Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:21 pm ] |
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Yes its the evil leading the naive like the march of tyranny has almost always been since we decided this veneer of civility suits us. |
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| Author: | Müs [ Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:45 pm ] |
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Quote: 43 million people were enrolled in Medicare in 2006, 36 million of whom were 65 and older. Expand this to 350 million, throw in the 15 million illegals or so... You really think that standard of care is going to get *better*? Who's going to pay for it? People like me that already have insurance. Sure, I won't have to pay insurance premiums, but the amount in insurance premiums that I won't be paying will be eclipsed by what I'll have to pay in taxes. And I'll have less access to health care than I currently have. Tell me how this will be better for *me*. Tell me why I should get behind this process. Remember two things about me. I'm racist, and I don't give a **** about people. Now. Sell me public health care. Begin. |
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| Author: | Hannibal [ Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:40 pm ] |
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Müs wrote: Quote: Now. Sell me public health care. Begin. Hi! I'm here from the Government, nice to meet you! /points gun at you. We are going to be either accepting your payment, or putting you in prison. If you resist you might get shot. Will that be check, cash, money order or credit card? |
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| Author: | Müs [ Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:23 pm ] |
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Hannibal wrote: Müs wrote: Quote: Now. Sell me public health care. Begin. Hi! I'm here from the Government, nice to meet you! /points gun at you. We are going to be either accepting your payment, or putting you in prison. If you resist you might get shot. Will that be check, cash, money order or credit card? Well, since you put it that way... /moves to Australia. WHAT NOW *****? |
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| Author: | Elmarnieh [ Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:29 pm ] |
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Now you have a different government pointing guns at you and have no option to point them back. Grats? |
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| Author: | Hannibal [ Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:32 pm ] |
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Yeah that was like getting away from a pawn by jumping in front of a rook. |
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| Author: | darksiege [ Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:36 pm ] |
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The fact that you cannot escape the BS governments is what I would call proof that the world needs to be purged in fire. |
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| Author: | Nitefox [ Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:37 pm ] |
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http://reason.com/news/show/135976.html |
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| Author: | DFK! [ Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:58 pm ] |
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Nitefox wrote: http://reason.com/news/show/135976.html Hey! That's my favorite source... Give it back! |
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| Author: | Monte [ Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:00 pm ] |
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Elmarnieh wrote: Liberals always seek the equality of the grave for us all. ZOMG LIBERALS WANNA KILL US ALL AND YER BABIES AND JESUS!!!!ONEONEONE!!!! Yeah. I'm the bigot around here. I'm the irrational one that poisons the well. You and Diamondeye *both* just came out with attacks that were entirely unprovoked. As for poisoning the well, who is calling these people Overlords? Seriously guys, mind your own store before you come out swinging at mine. To answer the meat of the inflammatory question - members of congress should have the same choices we all have. If there's an exchange, as the President described, that included a public option, they should be just as free to use whatever they like. That's the point of this plan - choice and competition. |
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| Author: | Dash [ Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Health care speech topic |
The big issue with healthcare in the US is coverage. If you have it you like it, very much. If you dont, or you lose it well.. yeah, that's a problem. So the question is, how do you make sure everyone is covered or at least, everyone who wants to be. For people who dont have it, or are afraid they'll lose it, socialized healthcare is obviously an appealing alternative to the status quo. Problem there is, the quality will go in the tank, availability will be seriously downgraded, it will be obscenely expensive and drive the national debt to ludicrous speed. This is why it's so unpopular. The Obama administration and many proponents of a public option has been very misleading on this issue. "It will be deficit neutral" (no it wont), "you can keep your current plan if you like it" (no you cant, not for long anyway), "46 million uninsured" (that includes people who dont want it, are here illegally, are eligible for government programs but havent signed up among others). The problem on the other side is, they appear to be pushing for status quo, which people also dont like. There is no coherent counter proposal to the "public option". I know the Republicans have a host of bills they presented, but there is no public knowledge of what it is they are proposing and certainly no widely known specifics. So right now it seems like stick with the flawed system you know or move to a system flawed in a different way that you dont know. |
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