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Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:28 pm ] |
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As horrifying as this is, I don't see any realistic way that this guy doesn't walk. Thoughts? Quote: New York (CNN) -- A police officer accused of a cannibalism plot spent hours online with a man who was kicked off a fetish website because his fantasies were too dark and real, testimony Wednesday revealed.
On the third day of Gilberto Valle's federal trial, prosecutors introduced e-mails and chats between Valle and a 35-year-old Pakistani man who re-registered on the website under the name "Throat Slitter." Valle, 28, is charged with conspiracy to kidnap a woman. The six-year New York Police Department veteran also is charged with accessing a federal database on at least one occasion, allegedly to get information on one of his alleged targets. Prosecutors argue Valle was "deadly serious" about online plans to allegedly kidnap, cook and eat women. None of Valle's alleged targets was ever victimized. Defense attorneys argue their client's conduct was fantasy role-playing. Prosecutors: NYPD officer was 'deadly serious' Alleged 'cannibal cop' on trial Linda Fairstein: Cannibalism exists FBI agent Corey Walsh read electronic conversations that ran through most of 2012, until Valle's arrest in October. In them, Valle allegedly talks to his friend, a self-described butcher who used the online name "Alisherkhan," about bringing a 25-year-old American woman to Rawalpindi or Lahore, where Alisherkhan promises, "I will make a good meal for you." The Pakistani man even says he will buy special knives for the occasion and asks Valle whether he will "participate in the slaughter process with me?" According to Walsh, Valle says, "I would actually love to cook a girl alive over an open fire." Then, referring to his wife, who discovered the fetish and alerted authorities, Valle says, "I've had other girls I want to kill more..." In May, Valle notifies his chat buddy he has picked out a girl, someone he has thought about for eight years. Alisherkhan prods Valle to "send details from drugs to dismembering" but then questions Valle's seriousness. The officer reassures him, saying he will cook the woman at 160 degrees and that "she will absolutely suffer," according to testimony. In later conversations, the two men allegedly talk about plans for sexually assaulting the alleged target. Prosecutors say the conversations confirm their kidnapping conspiracy. Man accused of offering money to cop During opening statements, Valle's lawyer, Julia L. Gatto, described the conversations as "pure fiction," telling jurors, "Gil is guilty of having bizarre thoughts and foolishly sharing them on an Internet with others ...There's no crime here, just very disturbing, shocking thoughts." Valle, in one e-mail chat to another person, wrote, "No matter what I say, it's make believe ... I just have a world in my mind and in that world I am kidnapping women and selling them to people interested in buying." On cross-examination, agent Walsh acknowledged that contrary to his e-mail claims, Valle had no chloroform, ropes or large oven in which to cook his alleged targets. And while Valle had bragged of stuffing a woman in a suitcase and putting her in the back of his car, FBI agents never swabbed Valle's vehicle for DNA, nor did they conduct any surveillance during the one-month investigation, according to testimony. Criminal database records were introduced into evidence with the names of several of Valle's alleged targets. Defense attorneys pointed out that none of the names were listed with home or other addresses. |
Author: | shuyung [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:36 pm ] |
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meh. MF, nc, viol, tort, snuff At the lower end of the scale for alt.sex.stories. |
Author: | Rorinthas [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:12 pm ] |
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guilty of being disgusting, sure. however, that's not the same as being a criminal. As shyunng alluded, if we arrested everyone on the internet for sharing lurid fantasy, we'd have a pretty long list. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Cannibal Plot |
Quote: The six-year New York Police Department veteran also is charged with accessing a federal database on at least one occasion, allegedly to get information on one of his alleged targets. Not sure which guy you mean, but if you mean the cop, he's nailed if he accessed an official database for any reason other than official business - including fantasizing about cooking people alive. |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:13 pm ] |
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They did more than share a fantasy. If the allegations are true, the cop displayed "general intent": Quote: saying he will cook the woman at 160 degrees and that "she will absolutely suffer," and he committed an "overt act": Quote: is charged with accessing a federal database on at least one occasion Those two actions are all that is needed for a conspiracy charge. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:43 am ] |
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Vindicarre wrote: They did more than share a fantasy. If the allegations are true, the cop displayed "general intent": Quote: saying he will cook the woman at 160 degrees and that "she will absolutely suffer," and he committed an "overt act": Quote: is charged with accessing a federal database on at least one occasion Those two actions are all that is needed for a conspiracy charge. You forgot that a conspiracy needs to be with another person, but he had that anyhow soooooo........ |
Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:50 pm ] |
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I agree, however there are items that cast doubt on his intent, such as lack of any necessary materials. There is also information that casts doubt on his "conspiracy" with the other individual, since it's been shown he was lying to that individual about what he was preparing. Now if he broke the law accessing a database, then he'll go down for that, but I suspect that's somewhat of a lesser charge. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:19 pm ] |
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I don't recall exactly how severe it is off the top of my head, but it's fairly severe. I'm sure it's less serious than conspiracy to commit kidnapping and aggravated murder though. And yes, it is definitely a violation of the law for a government official (or anyone else) to access a government database for personal reasons, even when those reasons are NOT criminal. |
Author: | Hopwin [ Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:17 pm ] |
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Are people red meat? IIRC cannibals called people long-pig. So confused |
Author: | Müs [ Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:20 pm ] |
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I'm still unsure what he did wrong... besides the accessing of the database. So he had some sick fantasy BS with another dude? Was anyone actually hurt/victimized? Sounds an awful lot like thoughtcrime to me. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:36 pm ] |
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Accessing the database is a crime. I'm not sure why people are minimizing it, given the amount of frothing at the mouth that goes on around here about government information collecting. Would you prefer they just dismiss misuse of a database by a public servant as a minor manner? |
Author: | Müs [ Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:48 pm ] |
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Diamondeye wrote: Accessing the database is a crime. I'm not sure why people are minimizing it, given the amount of frothing at the mouth that goes on around here about government information collecting. Would you prefer they just dismiss misuse of a database by a public servant as a minor manner? Didn't say it wasn't. I was minimizing the fantasy cannibal conspiracy stuff. Aside from the database crap, I don't see that's done anything wrong. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:12 pm ] |
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You don't see that it's pretty pointless to access the database for information on someone if he didn't actually intend to follow through? |
Author: | Müs [ Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Cannibal Plot |
Diamondeye wrote: You don't see that it's pretty pointless to access the database for information on someone if he didn't actually intend to follow through? So the precogs got a red ball on this one? Again, he accessed the DB. That's against the law. However, noone was actually harmed in this situation. I don't think the government should be in the position of judging people on what they're thinking about doing. I think about a lot of **** on a daily basis. Doesn't mean I'm actually gonna *do* it. This guy isn't guilty of anything beyond having weird fetishes that he didn't act on, and accessing a Database he shouldn't have had his fingers in. That's about it. |
Author: | SuiNeko [ Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:00 am ] |
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I feel genuinely ill reading that story. Thanks, Internet. |
Author: | Aethien [ Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:29 pm ] |
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I keep thinking that the thread title says, "Cannabis plot." That would have been much more fun to read. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:24 pm ] |
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Müs wrote: Diamondeye wrote: You don't see that it's pretty pointless to access the database for information on someone if he didn't actually intend to follow through? So the precogs got a red ball on this one? Again, he accessed the DB. That's against the law. However, noone was actually harmed in this situation. I don't think the government should be in the position of judging people on what they're thinking about doing. I think about a lot of **** on a daily basis. Doesn't mean I'm actually gonna *do* it. This guy isn't guilty of anything beyond having weird fetishes that he didn't act on, and accessing a Database he shouldn't have had his fingers in. That's about it. Conspiracy has nothing to do with punishing people for what they are thinking about doing. It has to do with carrying out acts in furtherance of something they were thinking about doing. If all they were doing was thinking about it, there would be no way for the government to detect it. In this case, as Vindi pointed out, the accessing of the database was an overt act in addition to being illegal on its own. |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:23 am ] |
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Convicted |
Author: | Talya [ Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:30 am ] |
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Quote: "This was a thought prosecution," his attorney Julia Gatto said outside court after the verdict. "Obviously, the case involved thoughts that were unusual and bizarre and frankly very ugly. We think that the jury couldn't get past that and they never got to the law." Another Valle lawyer, Robert Baum, said of the verdict: "It sets a dangerous precedent." I tend to agree with the defense. |
Author: | Corolinth [ Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:12 pm ] |
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Typical human beings are only opposed to thought crimes when they are being prosecuted. They are actually quite supportive of them in other cases. |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:10 pm ] |
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Welcome to the world of criminal conspiracy charges. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:03 pm ] |
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Well, since it is not a thought crime, we can pretty much forget about that. |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:53 pm ] |
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Yeah, the "thought" train left the station a long time ago in this case. |
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