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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:58 am 
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33888199/ns/travel-news/

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WASHINGTON - Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said Thursday he will create a special panel to come up with a plan to restore health to the ailing airline industry, which is losing billions of dollars, shedding jobs and blamed for using a business model that critics say undermines safety.

LaHood, who made his announcement at the end of a daylong forum on the state of the industry, promised that within a year the panel will produce "a road map for the future of the aviation industry."

LaHood organized the closed-door forum at the behest of airline unions who say the industry has become dysfunctional, with the companies, their investors, their employees and their passengers all suffering.

Airlines were quick to tell the Obama administration what it can do to help — they want the government to pick up the entire tab for a new air traffic control system based on GPS technology instead of World War II-era radar technology.

The Federal Aviation Administration, which has been working on the new system for more than a decade, had already anticipated spending $15 billion to $22 billion on the "NextGen" program. But FAA's plans also call for airlines to shell out an additional $14 billion to $20 billion to install equipment in their planes needed to use the new system.

Since a new air traffic system is a national priority that will benefit the entire nation, "it should be paid for by the federal government," the Air Transport Association said in a statement Thursday.

Also, in a letter to LaHood, US Airways CEO Doug Parker said the industry wants the new system, but not if they have to pay for it. He said airlines simply don't have the money.

LaHood told reporters he has met twice with Lawrence Summers, the top White House economic adviser, about helping airlines equip planes for NextGen.

Implementing NextGen — which is expected to reduce airport congestion, fuel use and greenhouse gas emissions — is a priority for the White House, LaHood said. But he offered no clue whether aid might be forthcoming.

Airlines have suffered repeated shocks in recent years, including the 9/11 terror attacks, the SARS virus, volatile oil prices and the current economic downturn. They offered fewer seats to passengers, measured by available seats and distance traveled, in the first quarter of this year than any other first quarter in more than a decade. They have shed more than 158,000 full-time jobs since employment peaked in 2001 and lost an estimated $30 billion to $60 billion in recent years. Thirteen airlines have filed for bankruptcy in the past two years.

The deregulation of airlines in 1978 has helped lower air fares consumers, but other trends have raised concerns about whether airlines are offsetting low fares at the expense of safety. Most large airlines are outsourcing the majority of their major aircraft maintenance and repairs, including to overseas repair shops. They are also farming out domestic, short-haul trips to regional airlines that hire less experienced pilots at lower wages.

Ed Wytkind, president of the AFL-CIO's transportation trades department, said he doesn't expect the Obama administration to attempt a return to the kind of regulation that existed before 1978 where the government set fares and routes. But he said he'd like the government to tighten requirements for new, low-cost airlines seeking to enter the marketplace.

A parade of low-cost carriers have at times driven air fares below cost, Wytkind said. That causes economic chaos for mainline carriers until finally the new entrants go bankrupt in a process that hurts the entire industry, he said.


So, that's the third time in ten years? Not really surprising, as the major airlines (United/American/Delta) have absolutely no ability to compete with Southwest since their monopolies were broken. They do get bonus points for actually whining to the government about how the low-cost carriers are driving them out of business by not charging enough.

Sadly, a bailout is virtually assured, as they have the government by the balls on this issue. United requires its employees to put their 401k money in United stock if they want matching, so their bankruptcy would mean hundreds of thousands of middle-aged people with no jobs and their entire retirement savings wiped out - IE political suicide for Congress if they let it happen.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 6:05 am 
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Xequecal wrote:
United requires its employees to put their 401k money in United stock if they want matching, so their bankruptcy would mean hundreds of thousands of middle-aged people with no jobs and their entire retirement savings wiped out - IE political suicide for Congress if they let it happen.


That is awesome.... In the same way that it is awesome to sit on your own testicles. Or in the same way that catching flesh with a zipper when going commando is awesome.

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Xequecal wrote:
United requires its employees to put their 401k money in United stock if they want matching, so their bankruptcy would mean hundreds of thousands of middle-aged people with no jobs and their entire retirement savings wiped out - IE political suicide for Congress if they let it happen.


That is awesome.... In the same way that it is awesome to sit on your own testicles. Or in the same way that catching flesh with a zipper when going commando is awesome.


What's really awesome is they already defaulted on their entire pension plan once before and the government didn't do anything about it. Every employee except the flight attendants lost their entire retirement savings in 2005 when they went into Chapter 11. That was before the recession so the government let it happen, it would be political suicide for them to allow it now.


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Airlines were quick to tell the Obama administration what it can do to help — they want the government to pick up the entire tab for a new air traffic control system based on GPS technology instead of World War II-era radar technology.


I don't think I'd classify this as a bailout. ATC is a part of national infrastructure and to a degree national defense, and it's used by a lot more than just airlines.

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What's funny is logically, you'd think a hub and spoke system would much more efficient than point to point. As it turns out though, when you have to consider the volume of traffic going through some of those hubs *cough Chicago Harris Intl cough* it actually leads to congestion and cascading effects on flights. Not to mention that normal departures are screwed up based on the sheer volume of traffic trying to leave the airport.

It's funny, I would think that the airlines would have built some sort of penalty into their contracts with the airports based on them screwing things up. I remember getting a huge delay flying into Detroit because of lake winds. After we landed, they had to shift the runway patterns so planes weren't landing and taking off perpendicular to the winds. Shouldn't they be pretty used to handling that?

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Penalty for the airports? The only thing keeping United/American/Delta remotely viable is their monopoly on several destinations. They control all the gates at the airport so nobody else can fly in.

Atlanta is a great example. Southwest will fly New York to Orlando for $210 round trip. But to fly Delta from New York to Atlanta costs almost three times as much despite being a shorter distance into their main hub - $556. They have no pull with the airports. The airport can always threaten to give Southwest a dozen gates and they know that if that happens they're finished there.


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You act like the hubs like Hartsfield Atlanta are just hubs and don't have any merit in their own right. Atlanta has so many big companies headquartered in it: CNN, ESPN, Equifax, ATT. Other big companies that have major offices there are Lockheed, the NRC for the South region.

The airlines can't just afford to not fly there. It's not like they just arbitrarily chose DFW, Chicago and Atlanta to be hubs. There's a reason they are hubs.

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