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| Author: | Talya [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Jackie's Worldview |
I sometimes get frustrated that ... while I agree with almost all of you at various times, I disagree with you at least as often. I don't have a common set of axioms with any of you. You know what? That's fine, and probably true for everybody to some extent, but, in the interests of clarity in other discussions, I'm going to put it all out there. At my heart, I am an wannabe-anarchist who reluctantly agrees some basic authority structure is both inevitable and necessary. I hold the individual as sovereign, but will grudgingly agree that society does need some controls. This has implications everywhere. Government: Government needs to be hobbled, collared, and controlled. They are public servants, not our masters, and need to be reminded of that constantly. They are not our nannies, it is not their responsibility to look after us for our own good. Government is a necessary but dangerous tool that if we let up our vigilance, will soon become our father-figure, and that's where tyranny starts. The Corporation: The large, immortal entity known as the publicly traded corporation has similar issues as government, but it's far less necessary for society. Like government, the corporation is a tool, but as an organization, the legal rights and priviledges we have granted it allows it to take on a life of its own, developing an organizational personality of sorts. The problem is, these personalities are, at best, sociopathic. The legal construct of the corporation is flawed -- it forgot to take into account the inherent malevolence of human authoritarian social constructs. Religion: Khross tells me that religion is just subset of the corporation, which may or may not be accurate, but there are certainly similarities. Ultimately, religion is a construct used to control people, at a far more insidious level than either government or the corporation. Religion attempts to control the hearts and minds of its adherents, bringing every part of the human being into submission to authority, even down to their dangly bits. Religion has just as much potential for harm as government, but it also has no benefit to its existence. It is solely a means for human beings to manifest control over each other. Trade Unions: let's incorporate the workers too. A prime example of two wrongs not making a right, here we take power away from the individual worker and willingly hand it over to an authoritarian organization, ostensibly for their own benefit. And it ultimately benefits nobody but the union leadership. Unions are problematic for the same reasons as the three above. I pick on religion a lot because it's more often the topic of discussion here, but ultimately, I see it as just a part of the same big problem. I believe biggest, single fundamental problem with the human animal is our willingness to surrender our own sovereignty and subjugate ourselves to other human beings. I believe individuality and an unwillingness to submit to authority for authority's own sake is the most important virtue a person can have. Freedom is a wonderful thing. Most people don't know how to use it though, and when given freedom, use it to freely subjugate themselves once again. It's a type of insecurity whereby we do not trust ourselves. Judaeo-Christianity even makes this a religious doctrine, "I know, LORD, that a man's way of life is not his own; no one who walks determines his own steps." (Jeremiah 10:23). Bullshit. It belongs to each of you to determine his own path. Don't throw it away and hand your allegiance to those who do not deserve it. I don't care if it's President or Pope, CEO or Union Boss. You are master of your own mind. That's the only thing nobody can take away from you. Ultimately, that's my position in a nutshell. You don't have to agree. I'm not your master either. |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:08 am ] |
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So... thanks for the biography? |
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| Author: | Rafael [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jackie's Worldview |
The weed in Colorado is outstanding. Come visit sometime. |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:40 pm ] |
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I don't radically disagree with anything you've posted here, except that you seem to forget that a large percentage of the population is really much more interested in being told what to do instead of figuring out things on their own. There is a very good reason why many religious texts refer to followers as sheep. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: |
Aizle wrote: I don't radically disagree with anything you've posted here, except that you seem to forget that a large percentage of the population is really much more interested in being told what to do instead of figuring out things on their own. There is a very good reason why many religious texts refer to followers as sheep. I don't forget it. I actively resent it. |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Re: |
Talya wrote: Aizle wrote: I don't radically disagree with anything you've posted here, except that you seem to forget that a large percentage of the population is really much more interested in being told what to do instead of figuring out things on their own. There is a very good reason why many religious texts refer to followers as sheep. I don't forget it. I actively resent it. LOL, you and me both. |
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| Author: | Nitefox [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: |
Aizle wrote: I don't radically disagree with anything you've posted here, except that you seem to forget that a large percentage of the population is really much more interested in being told what to do instead of figuring out things on their own. There is a very good reason why many religious texts refer to followers as sheep. You lean very easly to the left and currently support many of the platforms of the Democratic party correct? |
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| Author: | Müs [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Re: |
Nitefox wrote: Aizle wrote: I don't radically disagree with anything you've posted here, except that you seem to forget that a large percentage of the population is really much more interested in being told what to do instead of figuring out things on their own. There is a very good reason why many religious texts refer to followers as sheep. You lean very easly to the left and currently support many of the platforms of the Democratic party correct? Its not a left/right thing. I lean right generally and think the same thing. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Re: |
Müs wrote: Nitefox wrote: You lean very easly to the left and currently support many of the platforms of the Democratic party correct? Its not a left/right thing. I lean right generally and think the same thing. Ah, but the government portion of that is often a right-left thing. The "Nanny-state" is typically a leftist creation. The left also tends to support trade unions. The right tends to bend over for the big corporations and religion. I, therefore, have big issues with both Right and Left. |
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| Author: | Müs [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:44 pm ] |
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Fair enough. Euthanize them all. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:45 pm ] |
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Aizle wrote: I don't radically disagree with anything you've posted here, except that you seem to forget that a large percentage of the population is really much more interested in being told what to do instead of figuring out things on their own. The irony being Democrats have Obama's cock so far down their throats that a sheep has more freedom.
There is a very good reason why many religious texts refer to followers as sheep. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Re: |
Khross wrote: The irony being you have Obama's cock so far down your throat that a sheep has more freedom. That's where I suspect Nitefox was going with his question to Aizle. I'm staying out of it. |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:58 pm ] |
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If you get into it, you could have both cocks jammed down your throat. |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Re: |
Nitefox wrote: Aizle wrote: I don't radically disagree with anything you've posted here, except that you seem to forget that a large percentage of the population is really much more interested in being told what to do instead of figuring out things on their own. There is a very good reason why many religious texts refer to followers as sheep. You lean very easly to the left and currently support many of the platforms of the Democratic party correct? Depends on the platform. I'm notably not in agreement with them on the main party line when it comes to gun control and unions. In other areas I think they are directionally correct but dislike how they go about implementing some of the solutions, such as consumer protections, industry regulation and citizen safety nets such as welfare. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jackie's Worldview |
Yet, when Obama clearly and deliberately throws US law out the window -- https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/04/r ... rveillance -- you get offended when people want him prosecuted and punished. |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:46 pm ] |
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Show me where I've been offended. |
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| Author: | Nitefox [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Re: |
Talya wrote: Khross wrote: The irony being you have Obama's cock so far down your throat that a sheep has more freedom. That's where I suspect Nitefox was going with his question to Aizle. I'm staying out of it. Yeah pretty much that. I love folks that throw out the sheep line on religious folks but ignore their own desire to follow some other master. Aizle is just a sheep with a different herder. |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Re: |
Nitefox wrote: Talya wrote: Khross wrote: The irony being you have Obama's cock so far down your throat that a sheep has more freedom. That's where I suspect Nitefox was going with his question to Aizle. I'm staying out of it. Yeah pretty much that. I love folks that throw out the sheep line on religious folks but ignore their own desire to follow some other master. Aizle is just a sheep with a different herder. That just proves that over the 10 plus years you've interacted with me you've learned nothing about me. |
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| Author: | Nitefox [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Re: |
Aizle wrote: Nitefox wrote: Talya wrote: Khross wrote: The irony being you have Obama's cock so far down your throat that a sheep has more freedom. That's where I suspect Nitefox was going with his question to Aizle. I'm staying out of it. Yeah pretty much that. I love folks that throw out the sheep line on religious folks but ignore their own desire to follow some other master. Aizle is just a sheep with a different herder. That just proves that over the 10 plus years you've interacted with me you've learned nothing about me. I'd probably say that too if I were you. |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:05 pm ] |
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What's telling Nitefox is that I didn't specify any particular person, but referenced the bulk of the "faithful". You on the other hand, along with Khross (although he apparently thought better of it and edited his post) immediately went to the ad-hominem attack. |
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| Author: | Nitefox [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: |
Aizle wrote: What's telling Nitefox is that I didn't specify any particular person, but referenced the bulk of the "faithful". You on the other hand, along with Khross (although he apparently thought better of it and edited his post) immediately went to the ad-hominem attack. Telling maybe...let's look at the word predictable though. Anyway...you got yours in, I got mine. I'm good. |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:15 pm ] |
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What is your view on selfishness versus fairness? Do you think it was a good decision for the guy in Breaking Bad to give $5 million to Jesse? |
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| Author: | Rafael [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jackie's Worldview |
Aizle wrote: What's telling Nitefox is that I didn't specify any particular person, but referenced the bulk of the "faithful". You on the other hand, along with Khross (although he apparently thought better of it and edited his post) immediately went to the ad-hominem attack. If anything, that's more damning of your position since you broad stroke the entire lot of the "faithful" rather than individuals which can have specific faults of their character brought to attention for discussion. Anticipating incoming rationalization as to why this is somehow not applicable. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jackie's Worldview |
Aizle: That was me removing general 'you' and general 'your' for more specific referents particularly to avoid the holy **** that's a personal attack realization. I did, in point of fact, start the edit before Taly replied. |
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| Author: | RangerDave [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jackie's Worldview |
Khross wrote: you have Obama's cock so far down your throat that a sheep has more freedom Talya wrote: I'm staying out of it. Corolinth wrote: If you get into it, you could have both cocks jammed down your throat. Nitefox wrote: Anyway...you got yours in, I got mine. I'm good.  Hey, Nitefox... Spoiler: |
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