We've discussed the studies showing that monkeys have a sense of fairness before, but this was such an awesome video clip from a TED talk on the subject that I had to share it:
Love that last line.
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| Author: | RangerDave [ Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Monkeys' sense of fairness |
We've discussed the studies showing that monkeys have a sense of fairness before, but this was such an awesome video clip from a TED talk on the subject that I had to share it: Love that last line.
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| Author: | Aethien [ Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:23 pm ] |
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Wow, that's fantastic. |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:25 pm ] |
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How is rejecting unequal pay "fairness" and not "greed" or "Jealousy"? Especially when the grape eating monkey is perfectly content eating grapes, apparently oblivious of the fact the other monkey is not being paid "fairly". |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:45 pm ] |
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Unfortunately, while the monkeys are doing the same job, the "99%" aren't. Humans are not doing equal work. |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:11 pm ] |
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Yeah, what would happen if right monkey was doing harder work for better pay? Don't get me wrong, it's cool that the monkey is able to understand the idea of "Hey He's getting grapes to do this, while I'm getting cucumbers. I should get grapes too." However it's a stretch to: 1. ascribe his motives to "fairness". 2. use that as a springboard for arguing for human social-economic change. It appears to me that what he/she/it is doing is ascribing value to objects. myRock=cucumber, hisRock=grape. If myRock= hisRock, then myRock=grape? The first thing the monkey does when something is amiss is try to see if there is something "wrong" with hisRock. |
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| Author: | Taskiss [ Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Monkeys' sense of fairness |
For whatever reason, Lex's diatribe on his issues with his "cube with a view" seem to have commonality with the OP source material. |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:49 pm ] |
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It's not a stretch to ascribe the monkey's motives to fairness. The monkey is able to quickly figure out that he's getting a piece of cucumber in exchange for a rock, while the other monkey is getting a grape. This is also a controlled laboratory condition where one variable is changed. Wall Street is not. |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Wed May 01, 2013 12:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Monkeys' sense of fairness |
I think we are having one of those cant agree what the box looks like conversations because what you are saying mostly makes sense. |
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| Author: | Vindicarre [ Wed May 01, 2013 12:38 am ] |
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"So this is basically the Wall St. protests that you see here." Yeah, except both monkeys were doing "working". |
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| Author: | Talya [ Wed May 01, 2013 7:00 am ] |
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Vindicarre wrote: "So this is basically the Wall St. protests that you see here." Yeah, except both monkeys were doing "working". Whereas most of the 1% aren't? 
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| Author: | RangerDave [ Wed May 01, 2013 8:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Monkeys' sense of fairness |
Yeah, the "Wall St protests" line was just a joke, although I do think that many socialist-leaning people believe that work = work to a significant degree, regardless of whether it's ditch-digging or investment banking, and that large pay differentials are therefore unfair in the same way the grape vs cucumber thing is unfair. As for Rori's point that the experiment doesn't necessarily reveal a sense of fairness as opposed to jealousy or ascribing value to the rock rather than the work, I think those are plausible alternative interpretations. It sure looks to me like the monkey is pitching a fit because he sees he's getting shafted, but i'd be really curious to see some further experiments addressing the alternatives. |
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| Author: | Wwen [ Wed May 01, 2013 8:21 am ] |
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The monkey should rise up and free themselves from the cages of man and make them test subjects. |
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