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| Author: | Uncle Fester [ Fri May 24, 2013 2:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Double Standards in Statutory Rape |
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/22/us/fl ... .html?_r=0 Where was the Times for the hundreds (if not thousands) of young men who were prosecuted for the same situation. Age of consent does not apply for same sex sexual assault? |
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| Author: | Müs [ Fri May 24, 2013 2:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Double Standards in Statutory Rape |
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| Author: | Talya [ Fri May 24, 2013 2:19 pm ] |
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It's obscene to have a law that penalizes an 18 year old with a 14 year old lover. They are practically the same age-- they're both potentially high school students. Canada's law may not be perfect, but it at least is fair: Quote: In June 2006, the Canadian government proposed a bill to raise the age of consent from 14 to 16, while creating a close-in-age exemption for sex between 14-15 year olds and partners up to 5 years older, and keeping an existing close-in-age clause for sex between 12-13 year olds and partners up to 2 years older. The initiative also maintains a temporary exception for already existing marriages of 14 and 15 year olds, but forbids new marriages like these in the future.
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| Author: | Uncle Fester [ Fri May 24, 2013 2:21 pm ] |
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The Times (and MSNBC & CNN) seem to be picking this up as the new cause to run with. It is an equal application of the law that has them upset. The untold number of men who were prosecuted under this law seem to have no mention, but have some cute teenage lesbians it becomes news about oppression. The Canadian one sounds a bit more realistic though. |
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| Author: | Uncle Fester [ Fri May 24, 2013 2:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Double Standards in Statutory Rape |
Müs wrote: :popcorn: I admit it, this was pure flame bait, I wish this had occured a few years back with a few of the more rabid posters, it could have been a twenty pager. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeffrey-me ... 8-year-old "an LGBT Injustice!" |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Fri May 24, 2013 3:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Double Standards in Statutory Rape |
A law that penalizes an 18 year old for having sex with a 14 year old is hardly obscene, but it's hardly entirely fair either. The problem with laws surrounding sex between teenagers is that it focuses on age, not on the relationship between them. A pair of high school teammates are really not of any difference in power and influence over each other. On the other hand, if the older girl had been an assistant coach or other person the younger would regard as an authority figure for reasons in addition to age, that would be a problem. Either way, the idea that this is based on the same-sex nature of the relationship is hilarious. If anything, this is a sign that Florida enforces the law fairly and does not aim it only at males (gay or straight). |
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| Author: | Müs [ Fri May 24, 2013 3:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Double Standards in Statutory Rape |
Diamondeye wrote: Either way, the idea that this is based on the same-sex nature of the relationship is hilarious. If anything, this is a sign that Florida enforces the law fairly and does not aim it only at males (gay or straight). The law enforcement absolutely is because of the same sex nature. The parents of the 14yo are pressing charges because they don't approve of the same sex nature of the relationship. But the main thrust is that its only a big story now because its girl-girl, and touted as unfairly applied because of that. Hence,
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| Author: | Vindicarre [ Fri May 24, 2013 4:41 pm ] |
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No, Ara, the law enforcement is not about sexual preference. The law enforcement is because it was brought to the attention of enforcers of law, and a sexual relationship between an 18 year old and a 14 year old is against the law in that jurisdiction. The 14yr old's parents are not law enforcement, and the reason you insist it is because of the same-sex nature of the relationship is because the parents of the accused and a facebook page said so. |
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| Author: | Jasmy [ Fri May 24, 2013 4:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Double Standards in Statutory Rape |
The report that I read a couple of days ago stated that Kaitlyn Hunt was 17 and her friend was 15 when they started dating. In my opinion, that is not statutory rape. |
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| Author: | Uncle Fester [ Fri May 24, 2013 5:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Double Standards in Statutory Rape |
Most of the News reports have it at 18 on 14 |
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| Author: | Müs [ Fri May 24, 2013 5:19 pm ] |
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Vindicarre wrote: No, Ara, the law enforcement is not about sexual preference. The law enforcement is because it was brought to the attention of enforcers of law, and a sexual relationship between an 18 year old and a 14 year old is against the law in that jurisdiction. The 14yr old's parents are not law enforcement, and the reason you insist it is because of the same-sex nature of the relationship is because the parents of the accused and a facebook page said so. I'm going off this: Quote: Steven Hunt Jr., Ms. Hunt’s father, wrote in an introduction to the online petition that he believed “Kaitlyn’s girlfriend’s parents are pressing charges because they are against the same-sex relationship, even though their daughter has stated that this is a consensual relationship.” /shrug. I can't speak to whether or not the younger girl's parents would have gone to the police if it was a 17/18 y/o male. But if it was a male/female situation, its not likely that it would be news at all. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Fri May 24, 2013 6:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Double Standards in Statutory Rape |
It probably wouldn't be. That does not change the fact that the law enforcement is not because of the same sex nature of the case. If it were a young man, he'd most likely quietly take the plea bargain since he would have no media to scream to that its because of his sexual orientaion. Vindi is correct. The law may not be fair, but the enforcement practice is. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Fri May 24, 2013 6:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Double Standards in Statutory Rape |
Jasmy wrote: The report that I read a couple of days ago stated that Kaitlyn Hunt was 17 and her friend was 15 when they started dating. In my opinion, that is not statutory rape. It isn't dating thats statutory rape, its the sex. Whether 17 and 15 would be depends on the state. |
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| Author: | Jasmy [ Fri May 24, 2013 9:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Double Standards in Statutory Rape |
I will have to try to find the report I read, but according to it both of them would have been minors and consenting at the time, so the fact that they were both minors (according to the first report I read) when it started and the fact that ages have been changed in other reports, leads me to believe some shenanigans are going on to make this look worse than it should be, or else the first report was completely wrong, in which case I would like to have more truthful information on which to base my decision. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Sat May 25, 2013 2:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Double Standards in Statutory Rape |
I think it's pretty likely the first report was simply wrong, since the difference in age is either 2 years, or 4. If the accused is 18 now, and they were really 17 and 15, the "victim" would have to be 16 (or close to it) now, not 14. That's something that would be pretty damn hard to hide with shennannigans. |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Tue May 28, 2013 1:28 pm ] |
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4 years difference in age always seemed proper to me. As for lesbians, that's not really sex anyway. 
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| Author: | Vindicarre [ Fri May 31, 2013 5:40 pm ] |
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Müs wrote: Vindicarre wrote: No, Ara, the law enforcement is not about sexual preference. The law enforcement is because it was brought to the attention of enforcers of law, and a sexual relationship between an 18 year old and a 14 year old is against the law in that jurisdiction. The 14yr old's parents are not law enforcement, and the reason you insist it is because of the same-sex nature of the relationship is because the parents of the accused and a facebook page said so. I'm going off this: Quote: Steven Hunt Jr., Ms. Hunt’s father, wrote in an introduction to the online petition that he believed “Kaitlyn’s girlfriend’s parents are pressing charges because they are against the same-sex relationship, even though their daughter has stated that this is a consensual relationship.” /shrug. I can't speak to whether or not the younger girl's parents would have gone to the police if it was a 17/18 y/o male. But if it was a male/female situation, its not likely that it would be news at all. So you're going off what the accused's father wrote to start an online petition. Got it. |
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| Author: | Micheal [ Fri May 31, 2013 5:53 pm ] |
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I was propositioned last year by a 15-year old girl. Shocked the blazes out of me and if I had gone anywhere with it (I politely declined) the judicial system could have put me away for a long time and taken everything I have and that would have been that. I would have agreed that I had knowingly broken the law and couldn't have defended myself with a straight face. When I was 18 I would have risked it, heck, I did have a 16 year old girlfriend then. Yes. The law in Canada seems to make much more sense than the laws here. Given the sexuality involved it is just more people scared of what they don't understand tying to make their fears and dark fantasies illegal. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Fri May 31, 2013 9:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Double Standards in Statutory Rape |
The laws regarding sex between teenagers of various ages are not there because teenagers don't want sex. They're there because teenagers don't make good decisions about whether they should have sex, whether they want to or not. This is the same for both males and females; unfortunately we have created this idea as a society that teenage girls really just want to say "no" but lack the self-confidence to do so. While sometimes that's the case, the simple fact is that teenagers of both genders have hormones, and both genders make stupid decisions because of them. |
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| Author: | shuyung [ Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Double Standards in Statutory Rape |
Diamondeye wrote: They're there because teenagers don't make good decisions about whether they should have sex, whether they want to or not. If that is, in fact, the reason the laws are on the books, that's a bad dividing line. This is not a problem restricted, or even largely skewed towards, teenagers. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Double Standards in Statutory Rape |
shuyung wrote: Diamondeye wrote: They're there because teenagers don't make good decisions about whether they should have sex, whether they want to or not. If that is, in fact, the reason the laws are on the books, that's a bad dividing line. This is not a problem restricted, or even largely skewed towards, teenagers. It's not, but the reason teenagers make those bad decisions is directly related to age - namely, they just don't know any better, and don't yet have a good sense of risk. It has the advantages of being objective (a person is either of a certain age, or is not) and easy to understand, and anything better seems unlikely to present itself. |
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