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on all of us?

Check them out strip-searching this young boy.



Part of me thinks this whole mess is really just someone high up pushing it as far as it will go before breaking. Then, they can start advertising their "newly revised and BETTER techniques". They're pulling a New Coke on us!


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This should be in Hellfire or the PG-Hellfire.


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Not really. We can all agree that it's pretty **** ridiculous.


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Cathal Kelly, The Toronto Star wrote:
While North America's airports groan under the weight of another sea-change in security protocols, one word keeps popping out of the mouths of experts: Israelification.

That is, how can we make our airports more like Israel's, which deal with far greater terror threat with far less inconvenience.

"It is mindboggling for us Israelis to look at what happens in North America, because we went through this 50 years ago," said Rafi Sela, the president of AR Challenges, a global transportation security consultancy. He's worked with the RCMP, the U.S. Navy Seals and airports around the world.

"Israelis, unlike Canadians and Americans, don't take s--- from anybody. When the security agency in Israel (the ISA) started to tighten security and we had to wait in line for — not for hours — but 30 or 40 minutes, all hell broke loose here. We said, 'We're not going to do this. You're going to find a way that will take care of security without touching the efficiency of the airport."

That, in a nutshell is "Israelification" - a system that protects life and limb without annoying you to death.

Despite facing dozens of potential threats each day, the security set-up at Israel's largest hub, Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion Airport, has not been breached since 2002, when a passenger mistakenly carried a handgun onto a flight. How do they manage that?

"The first thing you do is to look at who is coming into your airport," said Sela.

The first layer of actual security that greets travellers at Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion International Airport is a roadside check. All drivers are stopped and asked two questions: How are you? Where are you coming from?

"Two benign questions. The questions aren't important. The way people act when they answer them is," Sela said.

Officers are looking for nervousness or other signs of "distress" — behavioural profiling. Sela rejects the argument that profiling is discriminatory.

"The word 'profiling' is a political invention by people who don't want to do security," he said. "To us, it doesn't matter if he's black, white, young or old. It's just his behaviour. So what kind of privacy am I really stepping on when I'm doing this?"

Once you've parked your car or gotten off your bus, you pass through the second and third security perimeters.

Armed guards outside the terminal are trained to observe passengers as they move toward the doors, again looking for odd behaviour. At Ben Gurion's half-dozen entrances, another layer of security are watching. At this point, some travellers will be randomly taken aside, and their person and their luggage run through a magnometer.

"This is to see that you don't have heavy metals on you or something that looks suspicious," said Sela.

You are now in the terminal. As you approach your airline check-in desk, a trained interviewer takes your passport and ticket. They ask a series of questions: Who packed your luggage? Has it left your side?

"The whole time, they are looking into your eyes — which is very embarrassing. But this is one of the ways they figure out if you are suspicious or not. It takes 20, 25 seconds," said Sela.

Lines are staggered. People are not allowed to bunch up into inviting targets for a bomber who has gotten this far.

At the check-in desk, your luggage is scanned immediately in a purpose-built area. Sela plays devil's advocate — what if you have escaped the attention of the first four layers of security, and now try to pass a bag with a bomb in it?

"I once put this question to Jacques Duchesneau (the former head of the Canadian Air Transport Security Authority): say there is a bag with play-doh in it and two pens stuck in the play-doh. That is 'Bombs 101' to a screener. I asked Ducheneau, 'What would you do?' And he said, 'Evacuate the terminal.' And I said, 'Oh. My. God.'

"Take Pearson. Do you know how many people are in the terminal at all times? Many thousands. Let's say I'm (doing an evacuation) without panic — which will never happen. But let's say this is the case. How long will it take? Nobody thought about it. I said, 'Two days.'"

A screener at Ben-Gurion has a pair of better options.

First, the screening area is surrounded by contoured, blast-proof glass that can contain the detonation of up to 100 kilos of plastic explosive. Only the few dozen people within the screening area need be removed, and only to a point a few metres away.

Second, all the screening areas contain 'bomb boxes'. If a screener spots a suspect bag, he/she is trained to pick it up and place it in the box, which is blast proof. A bomb squad arrives shortly and wheels the box away for further investigation.

"This is a very small simple example of how we can simply stop a problem that would cripple one of your airports," Sela said.

Five security layers down: you now finally arrive at the only one which Ben-Gurion Airport shares with Pearson — the body and hand-luggage check.

"But here it is done completely, absolutely 180 degrees differently than it is done in North America," Sela said.

"First, it's fast — there's almost no line. That's because they're not looking for liquids, they're not looking at your shoes. They're not looking for everything they look for in North America. They just look at you," said Sela. "Even today with the heightened security in North America, they will check your items to death. But they will never look at you, at how you behave. They will never look into your eyes ... and that's how you figure out the bad guys from the good guys."

That's the process — six layers, four hard, two soft. The goal at Ben-Gurion is to move fliers from the parking lot to the airport lounge in a maximum of 25 minutes.

This doesn't begin to cover the off-site security net that failed so spectacularly in targeting would-be Flight 253 bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab — intelligence. In Israel, Sela said, a coordinated intelligence gathering operation produces a constantly evolving series of threat analyses and vulnerability studies.

"There is absolutely no intelligence and threat analysis done in Canada or the United States," Sela said. "Absolutely none."

But even without the intelligence, Sela maintains, Abdulmutallab would not have gotten past Ben Gurion Airport's behavioural profilers.

So. Eight years after 9/11, why are we still so reactive, so un-Israelified?

Working hard to dampen his outrage, Sela first blames our leaders, and then ourselves.

"We have a saying in Hebrew that it's much easier to look for a lost key under the light, than to look for the key where you actually lost it, because it's dark over there. That's exactly how (North American airport security officials) act," Sela said. "You can easily do what we do. You don't have to replace anything. You have to add just a little bit — technology, training. But you have to completely change the way you go about doing airport security. And that is something that the bureaucrats have a problem with. They are very well enclosed in their own concept."

And rather than fear, he suggests that outrage would be a far more powerful spur to provoking that change.

"Do you know why Israelis are so calm? We have brutal terror attacks on our civilians and still, life in Israel is pretty good. The reason is that people trust their defence forces, their police, their response teams and the security agencies. They know they're doing a good job. You can't say the same thing about Americans and Canadians. They don't trust anybody," Sela said. "But they say, 'So far, so good'. Then if something happens, all hell breaks loose and you've spent eight hours in an airport. Which is ridiculous. Not justifiable."

"But, what can you do? Americans and Canadians are nice people and they will do anything because they were told to do so and because they don't know any different."

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I couldn't agree with that article more. Our idea of "security" at airports is laughable.


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The terrorists are laughing at us for this.

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I also read that article. The head of the TSA came out and said we would never do that because we don't "profile people". What he fails to realize I think is they aren't profiling based on what someone looks like, they are profiling them based on their actions and demeanor.


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Jhorra wrote:
I also read that article. The head of the TSA came out and said we would never do that because we don't "profile people".


I would ask... "Why the **** not? Its just **** smart."

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Jhorra wrote:
I also read that article. The head of the TSA came out and said we would never do that because we don't "profile people".


I would ask... "Why the **** not? Its just **** smart."


And here's where we careen into Hellfire territory. Not because of your question, but because of the answer.


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What would happen if you popped a couple if viagra's or whatever the contemporary flagship brand is and went through the pat down? While wearing Lt. dangle's shorts?


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I went through security today with my liquids removed from my carry-on, in that stupid little plastic bag, then placed in the bin. After passing through the scanner, I was putting all my stuff together when I noticed that my 91ml bottle of cotact lens solution had fallen out and was in the bottom of my bag. Now, contact lens solution is exempt, but I'm pretty sure a scanner cant tell what is in those bottles. Anyways, just a small example of how stupid / annoying our "security" is for both frequent, and recreational travellers.

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Cathal Kelly, The Toronto Star wrote:
First, the screening area is surrounded by contoured, blast-proof glass that can contain the detonation of up to 100 kilos of plastic explosive. Only the few dozen people within the screening area need be removed, and only to a point a few metres away.

Second, all the screening areas contain 'bomb boxes'. If a screener spots a suspect bag, he/she is trained to pick it up and place it in the box, which is blast proof. A bomb squad arrives shortly and wheels the box away for further investigation.


This would never fly in the States. Everyone here is far too big of a pussy. Like Tera Patrick just got DP'd by Godzilla and Godzilla's recently paroled serial sex offender turned prison rapist donkey-T Rex hybrid buddy gaping pussy.

Look at how over engineered nearly everything is the US. My god, it was just over 30 years ago people **** their pants because Three Mile Island performed an elevated release of noble gases, the bulk of which are largely harmless, and I-131 being the most dose intensive specimen with a half-life long enough to survive through the entire release process. All other species decay so quickly they are essentially limited to existence in primary system.

Yet, after that accident, all nuclear facilities with pending combined license/construction permits were shutdown for nearly 20 years. And you're telling me Americans will be ok with the idea of a suitcase bomb being isolated by double containment and not evacuating? Like I said, pussies. People don't take the time to understand the physical reality and I don't expect countermeasures deployed and accepted in Israel to be of any use here.

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SALT LAKE CITY — A YouTube video showing a shirtless young boy resisting a pat-down at Salt Lake City's airport is renewing criticism of search methods for travelers.

Utah Valley University student Luke Tait shot the video Friday while waiting in a security line. It has been viewed on YouTube more than 765,000 times.

Tait said the boy appeared so shy he couldn't keep his arms raised for a pat-down, and the father removed his son's shirt out of frustration to speed up the search.

"I was shocked and realized something crazy was going on, so I took my BlackBerry off the conveyor belt and started recording," Tait told The Associated Press on Monday from Oxford, Miss., where he traveled for Thanksgiving.

"A couple of times the father raised the arms of the boy. That ended up not being enough, so the father got frustrated and tore his boy's shirt off," Tait said.

That prompted a security officer to protest, "Sir, sir!"

The Transportation Security Administration said in a blog posting that nobody has to disrobe at an airport checkpoint. Passengers need only remove shoes, coats and jackets for a screening.

The father removed the shirt, the security officer protested.

THAT'S what youtube anecdotal evidence proves.

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http://www.twincities.com/ci_16680398?nclick_check=1
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SALT LAKE CITY — A YouTube video showing a shirtless young boy resisting a pat-down at Salt Lake City's airport is renewing criticism of search methods for travelers.

Utah Valley University student Luke Tait shot the video Friday while waiting in a security line. It has been viewed on YouTube more than 765,000 times.

Tait said the boy appeared so shy he couldn't keep his arms raised for a pat-down, and the father removed his son's shirt out of frustration to speed up the search.

"I was shocked and realized something crazy was going on, so I took my BlackBerry off the conveyor belt and started recording," Tait told The Associated Press on Monday from Oxford, Miss., where he traveled for Thanksgiving.

"A couple of times the father raised the arms of the boy. That ended up not being enough, so the father got frustrated and tore his boy's shirt off," Tait said.

That prompted a security officer to protest, "Sir, sir!"

The Transportation Security Administration said in a blog posting that nobody has to disrobe at an airport checkpoint. Passengers need only remove shoes, coats and jackets for a screening.

The father removed the shirt, the security officer protested.

THAT'S what youtube anecdotal evidence proves.


That's what the youtube video says in its description.


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Aegnor wrote:
That's what the youtube video says in its description.

That's not what the title of the video says, nor is it what Darkroland says in his OP.

"Young Boy strip searched by TSA"

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I think that, from what I've seen posted, you're the only one that read the description.

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Taskiss wrote:
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That's what the youtube video says in its description.

That's not what the title of the video says, nor is it what Darkroland says in his OP.

"Young Boy strip searched by TSA"

viewtopic.php?p=107306#p107306

I think that, from what I've seen posted, you're the only one that read the description.


No, I also read the description. However, AFTER the father removed the shirt, you can still CLEARLY see the TSA agent running his hands all over the boy.

I don't care whether he took his shirt off or not, he still strip searched him.


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But it makes people feel safe, so it's ok.

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Vindicarre wrote:
But it makes people feel safe, so it's ok.



It annoys me and does not make me feel safe. :P

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Dammit! Careful, she's too savvy for our tricks!

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Vindicarre wrote:
Dammit! Careful, she's too savvy for our tricks!

Most folks are too savvy for your tricks. Wanna see the poll results?

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The TSA. It's our business, to touch yours.


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Some freedom-fighters flying w/ kilts (nothing under them of course) to "Opt Out" on 11/ 24. If government wants cock, let them have it.

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So, how are you going to protest, Vin? More rancor from the arm-chair, or are you actually going to do something?

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I'm going to protest like the guy they just arrested a few counties over: by transporting a few hundred pounds of cocaine between DC and Atlanta on a Delta Airliner. Incidentally, he was caught long after the fact while trying to unload the stuff to a buyer.

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Protest and make a few $ on the side...

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