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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:24 am 
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Five Reasons Star Wars Sequels Would Be Worse Than the Prequels
"As it turns out, contrary to popular belief (a term which here means "what the films specifically told us in no uncertain terms"), the Jedi were not entirely wiped out but merely went into hiding. Again, we understand it's not Star Wars without Jedi and you can't wait for an army to be rebuilt from Luke and Leia's inbred children. The writers only had so many options."

Six Star Wars Characters Too Retarded for Film
"If they ever build a hall of shame, we have to imagine that "kicked out of the Star Wars universe because George Lucas thinks you're ill-conceived" will get its own wing right next to "getting kicked out of an awards show because Kanye West thinks you're making a scene.""

Seven Classic Star Wars Characters Who Totally Dropped the Ball
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I love stirring the pot of Star Wars fans by pointing out that Porkins, is far, far more courageous than Wedge Antilles.

Here's why. Porkins, under fire from TIE Fighters and sustaining critical damage, refuses to let anything deter him from his mission. He knew that this is an all-or-nothing assault. When he was told to get out of there, he refused a direct order and continued on. He gave up his life to defend his fellow co-pilots and stayed true to the mission till his dying breath.

Wedge did not sustain critical fire and was just begging for an excuse to save his own ***. The mission didn't mean that much to him. Proof? When Luke tells him to get out of there, he does so without hesitation. Wedge has zero clue who Luke is. He's never flown with him. He's not his superior officer. He's just some punk farm-boy who boasts about bulls-eyeing womprats. And now this little kid is telling him that saving his own arse is more important than blowing up the death star. How is saving himself more important than that? Any military man would gladly give up their lives if it meant saving millions as well as protecting his brothers-in-arms while they completed the mission.

What Porkins would have done in Wedge's place: He would have told Luke to shut up, he would have said that his hits weren't nearly as bad, and he would have drawn more fire away from Luke (even if it killed him), so they could complete the mission.


Star Wars fans HATE (with a capital HATE) when I point this out. And while they try to debate it, the proof is right there on screen for all to see.

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I'm not sure that I see the drive to actually care that much about the level of courage displayed by two fictional pilots in a fictional story with exceptionally minor roles to the overall story.


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FarSky wrote:

Seven Classic Star Wars Characters Who Totally Dropped the Ball
"His fat, sweaty blood is on your hands, Princess."



I love this one:

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#6 Everything Jabba the Hutt Does

For an intergalactic gangster, Jabba the Hutt seems to be about as much of a criminal mastermind as Robin Williams in Jack. He holds a Rebel officer prisoner, enslaves the Rebel princess and laughs in the face of a Jedi Knight. This would be a sterling approach if Jabba were trying to go to war with the Rebellion, but seeing as how he's just a sleazy racketeer whose entire operation amounts to little more than a hotel/casino on Tatooine, he probably could've used a few more advisors. Preferably one that doesn't look like a vampire penis.

Why It Was a Bad Call:
First of all, Jabba holds two high-profile prisoners but never demands a ransom of any kind, and in fact refuses money when it is offered to him. Unless he funds his operation with bounced checks and jellybeans, this is counterproductive. Keeping the prisoners brings the Jedi heat to his palace, which in turn leads to the worst decision Jabba makes in the film: refusing Luke's offer.

Luke tells Jabba up front that if the prisoners aren't released, he will kill everything that moves and take them anyway. A Rancor and a porcine guard later, this offer is generously repeated, at a point where it is now clear that Luke is not just some dumbass in a stolen Jedi robe. But again, Jabba opts for the prideful route, which makes us wonder how he ever managed to succeed in organized crime in the first place.

About seven minutes later, every member of Jabba's operation has either been exploded, stabbed, shot, strangled or tossed into a giant sand vagina. Clearly he was never meant to manage a Domino's Pizza let alone hold the reigns of an underworld empire.

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That's pretty funny. Thanks, can't get to the 'R-rated' Cracked.com page from here at work.

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Numbuk, you're quite clearly wrong.

The point of the wingmen isn't *just* to be ablative wounds, cannon fodder that the TIEs have to kill first. That is the net result of their presence, but the only reason they serve as even that is because they're hanging back far enough to threaten and be capable of shooting down any fighter that attempts to engage the lead fighter.

As such, they have to be able to keep up, as it were. Luke is going in full throttle. Wedge has an engine damaged, and is thus incapable of maintaining his relative spacing to cover Luke. He is no longer a credible threat to act as a deterrent, and thus is serving ZERO purpose. His presence serves no benefit, and yet provides a risk for a skilled marksman and pilot, something the Alliance is in short supply of (they stuck a farmboy with zero combat experience on the *lead* prong of their attack -- note, there were other squadrons used as diversions to spread the Empire's attention and delay the realization that the main group was attacking a legitimate threat to the station at large.. you can tell this because there's a third starfighter that flies home, while Luke's three members of Red Squadron were the last available to make an attack run) at the time of the Death Star attack on Yavin IV.

Wedge was also following orders. Luke *was* his current commanding officer, as Red Leader picked Luke to make the attack run. Wedge was, at that point, flying on Luke's wing, regardless of veterancy or rank. He obeyed a legal order without hesitation. He's a far better disciplined soldier.

I'm pretty sure I've pointed all this out to you before, too.

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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
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I'm pretty sure I've pointed all this out to you before, too.{snip}


Yeah, I kinda get the feeling you're had this conversation before, even if not with Numbuk. :)

Interesting, though, I've just (32 years later) discovered the source of some of my confusion:

Wikipedia wrote:
Antilles first appears in A New Hope during the Rebels' Death Star attack briefing. In this scene Wedge is portrayed by Colin Higgins and voiced by David Ankrum, who dubs the character throughout the film. Denis Lawson plays the character for the remaining scenes filmed in the X-wing cockpit.[1]...


No wonder I've always been so confused by this. I guess I realized that the person Luke was talking to as "Wedge" during the briefing is not the same person as the "Wedge" who flies around during the attack, but it never quite registered. Interesting.

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OK, finally had a chance to read the original link, Farsky. I'm only on #4, and it's already genius. Good stuff.

Into the second article now, about "Six characters too retarded ... "

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Why He Doesn't Belong:

Did the first gay Star Wars character have to be a creepy, purple, gangster slug? We're already trying to justify the fantastically racist Jar Jar Binks, the mincing gilded nancybot C-3PO, the vaguely Jewish/Middle Eastern swindler Watto and the fact that Darth Vader suddenly started speaking with the voice of a black man when he turned evil. Give us a little help here, guys.


This is, like, everything that's wrong with everything that came after the original three.

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Aethien wrote:
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Antilles first appears in A New Hope during the Rebels' Death Star attack briefing. In this scene Wedge is portrayed by Colin Higgins and voiced by David Ankrum, who dubs the character throughout the film. Denis Lawson plays the character for the remaining scenes filmed in the X-wing cockpit.[1]...


No wonder I've always been so confused by this. I guess I realized that the person Luke was talking to as "Wedge" during the briefing is not the same person as the "Wedge" who flies around during the attack, but it never quite registered. Interesting.

Yeah, the story behind this is pretty amusing. It basically amounts to the Colin guy bailing because he thought the movie (and part) were destined to be a failure, and Denis Lawson goes on to be the face of one of the iconic characters that gets good screentime in the comics and other EU material, as well as the fact that Wedge is probably second only to Boba Fett in the fandom:screentime ratio.

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Wow, funny, I didn't know that.

Gonna have to go back and check those scenes out now. On my new fan remix copy! (Unless the guy somehow magically fixed that, too.)

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Porkins as Lucas intended:

Spoiler:
[youtube]VJLIATqP2hI[/youtube]

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Aethien wrote:
Kaffis Mark V wrote:
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I'm pretty sure I've pointed all this out to you before, too.{snip}


Yeah, I kinda get the feeling you're had this conversation before, even if not with Numbuk. :)

Interesting, though, I've just (32 years later) discovered the source of some of my confusion:

Wikipedia wrote:
Antilles first appears in A New Hope during the Rebels' Death Star attack briefing. In this scene Wedge is portrayed by Colin Higgins and voiced by David Ankrum, who dubs the character throughout the film. Denis Lawson plays the character for the remaining scenes filmed in the X-wing cockpit.[1]...


No wonder I've always been so confused by this. I guess I realized that the person Luke was talking to as "Wedge" during the briefing is not the same person as the "Wedge" who flies around during the attack, but it never quite registered. Interesting.



Heh...'splains alot of confusion that was unclear in my head.


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Glad I'm not the only one!

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