The Glade 4.0

I hope that happens. MGM's financial issues put it on hold indefinitely. I haven't yet heard if they've put it back on track now that MGM is operating again.

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Hmm,

Apparently there was a new SG-1 movie and an Atlantis movie planned

Stargate: Revolution (Based on SG-1)
http://www.gateworld.net/movies/04.shtml

Stargate: Extinction (sounds ominous - based on Atlantis)
http://www.gateworld.net/movies/05.shtml

But, according to this interview, it sounds like the plans to make any more Direct to DVD movies have been scuttled by the downturn in the DVD market in general, along with the fact that apparently MGM is bankrupt.

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2010/09/p ... vies-made/

Yeah, but MGM's no longer bankrupt. The question is, will the franchise continue now that MGM is operating again?

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Up to season 7 on SG-1 now, still really enjoying it. Worth watching all the other Stargate series that follow?

I think season 7 is where it branches off and you should start alternating "Atlantis" in there with it. Apparently a few of the episodes are crossovers.

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2009/05/s ... ing-order/

I think season 8 or 9 of SG1 is where it started to suck.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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This doesn't bode well..

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2010/12/a ... efinitely/



Edit to add:
He goes on to blame time-shifting, etc...


They really need to come up with better ways of measuring a shows popularity (value to it's sponsors).

THEY'RE STILL WATCHING THE GODDAMN SHOW YOU **** MORON! They haven't been "bled off", they're still **** watching. Just not when you air the show.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Unfortunately the industry is tied to antiquated rating system of success and that's how the networks decide what to keep. It's the network's fault not his.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

While time-shifting and digital downloads are still vectors by which viewers can be measured, they're useless to advertisers, as both result in no commercials catching viewers attention (skipping ahead with a DVR, pirated shows and iTunes have the commercials removed, and outlets like Hulu offer very little in the way of advertiser revenue, because of the diminished real estate offered to commercials).

Advertisers are what pay for the shows. From the advertiser's perspective, the shows are simply the sugary coating that allows viewers to swallow their marketing. Nothing gained from a show, no reason to spend money on that show. No money spent on that show means no budget for that show, etc.

It's an incredibly flawed system, to be sure, and look for a lot to change in the next ten years as far as the medium goes. But right now, it's the only system in place, and people are going to cling to it (particularly older, more established outlets).

But entertainment wants to be freee! (just like information/software, and with as little thought to who exactly pays for it)

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Yeah, FarSky said what I was figuring out how to explain.

They do not care how many people watch the show. They care how many people watch the commercials. Time-shifted viewing isn't weighted very highly because of this.

Problem is, I don't know anybody who watches the commercials. Even for live TV, you mute the television and get up to get a snack or a drink. The business model for television is horribly broken.

Of course, cable television doesn't need advertisements. They need subscribers. They can make some extra based on ads, but for the most part, it's a subscriber base that fills their coffers, not commercials. Time-shifting doesn't hurt that. (The Internet, on the other hand, does hurt it.) Isn't Sy-Fy a premium cable channel? They've got no business using traditional ratings as their decision-maker.

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But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Was on the basic package where I live.

I long for the day media producers realize their distribution models are obsolete and act appropriately.

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Siffy's basic cable, not premium.

Ah. Our Sy-Fy equivalent ("Space") is premium cable.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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The solution of course is simply product placement or embedded ads (small adds in the corner of the screen) or embedded logos within the show itself.

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Indeed. That will be the future of advertising. Commercials will slowly disappear.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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I concur. Chuck is a great example of the what the advertiser show arrangement must/should be. Subtle product placement, advertiser show related promotions and a fanbase willing to support the advertisers to support the show.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Piracy puts a lot of pressure on advertisers to be less obnoxious about it. If the legitimate content is too riddled with ads or lengthy waits, then people will simply turn to free sources.

It's not just piracy. In fact I would say that the trends towards time-shifting and streaming hve a much larger (mainstream) impact than piracy does.

I think there are some challenges with replacing the current advertising business model with one that depends solely on embedded content.

Live programming, sports, etc...

Also, how does embedded advertising scale when a show or movie goes from first run, to re-runs, to syndication, etc...

There isn't as much value in seeing a 4 year old piece of Dell computer hardware in an old episode of 24 (or whatever) as there is when you can stuff an ad specifically geared towards your target audience when a show is in late night re-run mode.

Also, how would small local companies do their advertising? or politicians (not that I would mind if they went away permanently)?

Embedded ads might work, but it's going to take some creativity to do it without completely screwing up the shows.