The Glade 4.0

I hate to break this to you, but that happens up here as well. My brother in law built his own house, almost completely by himself (with help from his sons and friends/family). The only thing he didn't do himself was pour the concrete foundation.

He's a State Trooper.

So you're saying that I need to actually live in a communist country to be familiar with it? That's retarded.

Sure, I don't disagree with anything you're saying here.

However, I don't see how focusing on subsistence living is somehow more "noble" or "honest". Frankly it seems stupid to me when you have other options. If you have the choice between a crappy road that is the by product of a crap ton of ox carts running across it or really any maintained road in the US, I'll take the maintained road thank you very much.

Has this ever been the case? Maybe when there was still frontier and there was essentially free land for the taking, but afterwards? A minimum wage earner today has a poor shot at this, but I bet he has a better one than a factory line worker during the Second Industrial Revolution.

So what? Should your model be applied everywhere?



You're an idiot. I mean, that is really the dumbest thing I've heard all day. And there's been some dumb **** today.



Well, that's up to the manager of the road crew, to determine how he wants to manage his operations. You can expect whatever you want, but I expect he doesn't give a ****. He'll shovel if it makes business sense to shovel, and if he's too busy managing, he won't.

Right, because road and traffic engineers have no **** clue how to actually do their job? Oh the money wasted on these idiots without common sense ...

Oh the money wasted on these people who actually cause more traffic problems and transit problems than they solve. If they could actually do what they were paid to do, life might be ok, but they don't ...

They have the most spectacular failure rate of any group of civil engineers I've ever met, because I can assure you ... 100% of the time, after they get done redesigning the roadways and the traffic light sequences and everything else ...

Traffis is ALWAYS worse than it was in the first place.
No, it's not really up to him at all. He has to work. He has to sweat. He has to pull his weight. Sipping a coffee, sitting in a truck supervising the job? That doesn't fly in these parts.

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I find it very revealing that you equate managing to sitting in a truck and sipping coffee.

And apparently you just have shitty traffic designers down there. They just did a major update to a major traffic corridor and interchange here in Mpls, and it **** rules. Infinately better than what was there before and a very nice bit of engineering. The same can be said for the folks that rebuilt the I-35 bridge that collapsed.

We're talking about road crews. But, you know, I don't think the majority of Gladers have any concept of what labor actually is. I'm willing to bet, as Hannibal puts it, most of you are cubicle gophers.

That's a minority opinion among my friends who live in Minneapolis, just so you know.

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If I was paid my wages to exercise all day and have fun constructing things, I certainly would.

LMFAO, you really don't know anything. First, nothing is ALWAYS anything, any jackass knows that. Second, traffic engineers know they concentrate traffic. It's not a secret, man. Good roads attract cars. Not only this, but you clearly have no clue how the process works. You need to direct your ire to the public department of transportation PLANNERS - not the engineers.



Again, you don't know ****. A manager's primary purpose is to manage his staff, materials, the job, and the client. He's going to help out with labor if he has time. But it makes no sense at all for them to run out of material because he's been too busy digging. He's running the crew, he'll decide if he needs to do labor or not.

Not some jackass sitting in a classroom, or worse - some jackass driving by a construction site second guessing how it's being run.

As opposed to professors, who know everything there is to know about labor.

Two! Two fails! Ah, ah, ah, ah!

Can either of you identify (not that you'll even bother with answering this question, because both of you get incensed when someone asks you a question instead of spoon-feeding you which you violently reject anyway) the markers leading to communism from capitalism?

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How about instead you just clarify your obviously poorly worded statement?

That may be a minority opinion, but the bridge is substantially improved over the previous. It's designed to carry 125% of the previous design volume, at a higher average speed, and is mass transit ready. It was designed and constructed in less than a year, which is an amazing feat.

Opinions are great, but facts are better.

No ****. And I'm not asking to be spoon fed anything. I just want you to actually explain what you're saying, instead of playing the inference game.

If I was paid my wages to sit in an ergonomic chair sipping chai tea in a climate controlled veal box, I certainly would too!

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Why? Physically doing things is more fun. Also I have a smart phone so I can go online whenever.

Epic hilarity.

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Arathain:

You mean the bridge that failed because it was widened to four lane traffic after being built to sustain only two? That bridge? Seems like the need for a new bridge was precipitated by one failure. That said, I was talking about any improvements to the traffic situation in Minneapolis in general. Aizle provided his anecdote. I've heard a dozen more saying things are worse. But, you know, you tried to look at all smart and assumed my statement was only applicable to part of that situation.

But, that's ok, because whatever terms you want to use for whoever is responsible for the number of roads, their routing, their laning, their lights, etc. ...

They tend to bill themselves as traffic and road engineers, and they need to die in a fire.

Also, I don't think you know the difference between the manager of a road crew and the manager of a project. And I'd also point out, just from actual work experience, that all the stuff you mentioned a manager having to deal with ...

That has to be done before you leave the shop in the morning, or you've already **** up.

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Little to no risk in one enviorment, multiple hazards from enviorment and job at mine. Btw smartphones work for shite in proximity to 500kv lines.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

All right, what the hell, I'll play this time.

Here's the original quote to which I responded.

As you can see, there are two conditions in this statement. They are as follows:
A) The US has never been a communist country.
B) (The US has always) been very anti-communist.
Does everyone see how I have split those two conditions out of the statement? If so, I'll continue on. I don't want to go too fast for you, so just let me know when you get lost.

Okay, so moving on. To which I responded:

Of course, the referenced query from Screeling was:

Which you would have known if any of your recall, deduction, or mouse-wheel skills were at least average.

You two then had the following comments in response:


We can see that Arathain's comment restricts itself to addressing only a single condition of the original statement, and Aizle's comment takes as its assumption that I meant only direct living experience qualifies for familiarity. I then mocked both of you and said:

Which you then indeed did not even bother to answer.

So I will ask again, can either of you identify the markers (or landmark societal changes, if you will) set forth by Karl Marx as conditions requiring fulfillment for the transition from a capitalist to a communist society? The reason for this query is that it then leads into the next query where, bearing in mind the two conditions Aizle has posited in his statement, we then are led into the next question, viz. "Can you identify the markers that the US has passed (for the transition from a capitalist to a communist society)?" The reason this naturally follows is because we are investigating the claims that the US has never been communist and has always been anti-communist. In order to make those claims stick, they have to pass tests of evidence. What is the evidence we have in the US? We have such things as Senator Joseph McCarthy and the House Committee on Un-American Activities, the Cold War, Labor Unions, the Social Security Administration, and hippies. So now we have to determine how to weigh the evidence. Does it, on balance and in deed, support or reject Aizle's claims? Just getting to the point where we can either support or reject Aizle's claims is a fascinating topic, but the sheer amount of effort it would take to suitably address it is such that I fear it would only be appreciated by maybe three people on the board (counting myself), none of whom are you two (see the "violently reject" bit).

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One must ponder why you feel it necessary to respond like an *******. Are you so uptight, really, that someone questioning you provokes this agitated response?



So I will ask again,[/quote]

And I can stop you right there. Nothing in the above clarifies your statement, merely provides background for it.



Very interesting. While you still have not answered my yes or no question, you have danced around an answer. I must therefore conclude that the answer to my question is "no". If this is incorrect, please clarify.

No. The one that was constructed to replace it.



Sure, a structural failure. Not a traffic design failure.



I can't speak for "general" conditions. I have no idea.



All smart? Aizle seemed to me to be pretty clear that he was talking about the specific project. If you were speaking in general terms as a response to a anectdote about a specific project, you should have said so, or at least not be offended if someone doesn't get that you changed the subject.



No, they tend to bill themselves as transportation planners. And no, they don't need to die in a fire, they do the best job they can with the information they are given. Just like everyone else.



I understand the difference, but as I said, it depends on the job. He may have a day where he does nothing but manage. He may have days where he mostly performs labor. The point is, it's up to him how he manages his crew. Not some dude driving by.



Depends on the job, but not usually. Any significant job will require delivery of materials on a periodic basis throughout the day. You can lay more asphalt, for example, in a day than you can store in your trucks. Also, when you're milling the existing roadway, you need to haul that material out.

For miniscule patching jobs, you may be correct.

Arathain:

Seeing as how you basically just shot your own foot off ...

Aizle was talking about two different projects in his post.

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Yup, I was. The bridge and the crosstown interchange. Both of which are AMAZINGLY better than they were. Now, traffic as a whole in the Mpls area is worse than it was years ago. But that has very little to do with planning (at the transportation planner/engineer level), and much more to do with population growth and funding provided to MNDOT.