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It really depends on what your degree is in and what your skills are. My father taught computer science, and there were many times that he had students decide to not pursue their Masters degrees because they had multiple $70k/year job offers because they happened to major in a very popular and needed specialty.

I dunno, LK. I think you should have just stayed out of it. It really is none of your business and when dealing with people like that(regardless of race) you are just inviting bad things to happen to you and yours.

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The Doctor is old.

Also, what Raltar says. Sometimes one person can't change the world. Most of the time actually. And then they get beaten.

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I think he's only like 32 or so.

I dunno, people talk about how these salaries are so low, but I just don't see it.

I was able to support myself and my wife on 30k per year without many problems, and this wasn't in a particularly low cost of living area anyway.

It's nice now that she's in grad school and we're on two incomes, and it will be nice when we get to move up job-wise to higher salaries, but I think people must have very different definitions of "good" pay.

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The idea of a first job is not to set you up for life, but for an employer to see that you're capalble of working in the real world, and for you to decide if you like the area you thought you wanted to work in. Since it's a test for both, of course salary would be crap because there's too much uncertainty.

I got $32,000 (prob similar time to khross, but I don't have all the pretty papers he has) for my first job, and doubled for my second, and doubled again (almost) for my third... the more experience you have, the better proven record you have, the higher your pay.

Bosses want to pay for what you do for them, not what you could do if there's a possibility if all the stars align up right.

Oh ya, LK, if I was in your position I would have done the same thing. Maybe not as far as calling the cops, but have a talk to the parents first. After all it's not my child.

In the case of another child hitting mine though, I would be a lot harsher about these things. No one abuses my children but me hehe =P

Personally I don't think there's a link between oppression and hitting kids. Chinese were hitting their kids when they ruled most of asia, and they will continue to hit their kids after they take over the world. It's just how we roll.

It's the reason for hitting thats' different. Asians usually have a good (if slightly warped) academic reason for hitting their kids.

Shouldn't have yelled at them first, should have just called the cops. Could have done so anonymously.

This is also wise, unless she's the only cracker in the neighborhood.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Should have explained to the matriarch that in your culture what was being done is considered beating, that in your culture you followed the appropriate steps. If you need to understand their culture, they should take some time to understand yours.

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Unfortunately she's likely as ignorant as the rest of them.

Damn

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Oh that is whack!

oops... wrong line of thinking?

I do not get being apologetic for these ****.

"aww wah wah, they were oppressed.... that is what happens"

Ask the Native Americans what they think of the black plight in America...

It is all apologist bullshit. Comparing the Irish and Chinese to the blacks is not apples and oranges.

a portion of the slaves brought to america were slaves to their "brothers and sisters" in Africa. Others were white and trying to work off a debt. Saving that only the blacks know oppression is dishonest and y'all know it.

The civil war was over 100 years ago, get the **** over it.

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I would have to say depends on where you are from if you are in this country and are a minority or oppressed.. EX) Americans yes. Liberians or other Africans No. They don't need to because of too much of what they have gone through to get here there kids appreciate and behave. You have to truly sit in on one of my classes to understand completely

LK/ I know exactly what you are talking about and have lived in a semi-black community and have spent most of my teaching career teaching black children. I have worked with minorities for the better part of 15 years and I would have to say it is a cultural thing in the black community regularly. We had this same issue happen at school, off school grounds, but close enough that one of my fellow teachers got involved the way you did. She is white. Her ideas stemmed the same as yours and it really bothered her. She then went to talk to one of our more veteran teachers, who is black, and she confirmed it. "Many in the black community hit their children." When I tell people doing my job is difficult, I am not lying. I don't mean it from the teaching part but the "Respect" part. It is very difficult for many of the white young female teachers to get respect in our school. I get it unconditionally because of where I came from and the way i act towards my students and parents. It is a different understanding and appreciation for the different minorities. Where I live now has progressively changed since I was a child. The neighborhood my church is in is now more latino than black and I have spent the better part of 5 years working with them as well. It also helps that I have taught every possible culturally different part of the world now for over 5 years. Mostly all Middle East, Far East, and Africa last year. All the Americas, Europe, and Australia this year. I would have to say things like that hard to swallow when you see it. We see it fairly often, but many of us in my school can see the differences in a normal kid going home and getting "beat" and abuse. I am not making any excuses for a child at all to be hit, i would never do it to my son and certaintly do not agree with it, but this is something that unfortunately regularly is apart of the community. Calling the police or CPS is up to you, but I would probably do it anonymously next time.

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I need to hang out more with you, Oonagh. You are wise.

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Fixed.

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LK:
It sucks that you're in this situation. I've done similar in the past, and been rewarded much the same way, but in the past four years my attitude has been forcibly shifted from direct, honest attempts to personally rectify the situation to "let the cops handle it" anonymity (hereby known as "The Lenas Method"). Always think of your family first. It's a hard thing to think about, but what would they do without you, or what would you do if something happened to them? I admire your solid sense of right and wrong as well as your "mother wolf" protectiveness.

Oonagh:
You make some salient points. I agree with you completely about the important distinction between those who worked and sacrificed to get here and appreciate what is being offered them (and their children) in reward for that hard work and sacrifice, and those who don't know the meaning of the words "work" and "sacrifice". However (you knew this was coming ) don't kid yourself that you are being respected "unconditionally". Unconditional respect is worthless (if it actually exists at all). You have earned the respect of your students and parents precisely because of the reasons you identified: your experiences, your treatment of those same parents and students, as well as "where you come from".

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Because I've been watching Boondocks lately, I was reminded of this thread.

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