The Glade 4.0

Good points DE, although I still think it would help some I agree with Vin's points above. It still doesn't make sense to me though why you can shag 1000 women for free but you give them money and now it is wrong. Sure a lot of people think doing 1000 for free is wrong but it isn't illegal as long as they are consenting adults.

That is (to me at least) the weirdest part of this whole thing, drugs and alcohol are illegal (at least when alcohol was banned) are illegal whether you charged for it or not. If they want to make prostitution illegal then they should make sex outside of marriage illegal as well (I am sure there are people that would love that) it just seems absurd to make something illegal that you can do for free with no legal consequences.


Is buying someone dinner then going back to your house prostitution? You exchanged something of value for sex, to me it seems like there is no difference. How about someone that sets someone up in an apartment and pays for all of their living expenses but does not give them cash, is that legal or is it prostitution? Where is the line?

So if I wanted to charge women to sleep with me I am the bad guy.

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I met this six-year-old child, with this blank, pale, emotionless face and, the blackest eyes... the devil's eyes. I spent eight years trying to reach him, and then another seven trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply... evil

I really have no idea what you're trying to say here.

Do you support alcohol remaining legal but oppose pot and prostitution being made legal? If so, why, in detail, with supporting facts. Alcohol destroys thousands of lives every year, but in principle that's okay just because it's the status quo and culturally acceptable? Just because prohibition failed isn't some intrinsic logical reason for alcohol remaining legal, and vice-a-versa for pot and prostitution - just because we haven't yet legalized it doesn't mean it shouldn't be, and of course both have been legalized or decriminalized now in parts of a couple states.

Selling pot and prostitution make a downtown area more slummy and gross, and turns away visitors and drops real estate value and lowers city prestige. Alcohol doesn't.

If you were the sheriff of Bath, England, it would be incredibly foolish to allow skanky prostitutes to roam the streets in such a scenic and pleasant area.

not necessarily Lex. Check out the housing price in Sydney's King's Cross where Prostitution is treated as a tourist attraction.

When regulated properly, it's like any other industry

If regulated so that some cities completely don't have it, then I agree.

Yes, please.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Seeing as I don't condone either practice personally, I'm willing to admit you have a point here.

There are a lot of things I don't agree with that are legal. Given the opportunity I'd vote against legalizing prostitution in my state or locality. If I'm outvoted then so be it, but I'm still gonna express my opinion on the morality. That's my right and responsibility.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Also I'm not sold on the whole legalized prostitution will put the illegals out of business. I'm sure it still goes on in NV counties where it's legal. (any of our locals from there care to verify or debunk that?) cigarettes DVDs and alcohol are all legal, yet bootleg versions of all three still exists. I'm sure bootleg sex would exist for the same reasons (preference, tax evasion, price).

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

So who is going to start the grassroots pro-whore movement? I'd prefer to keep my name off it.

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Yes, in theory you could, but as a practical matter, there are so many streetwalkers out there that going around asking them all for licenses would be like pissing in the ocean. In any case, street walking prostitutes aren't like regular workers at a regular job. They work or not where they want or need to or where their pimp determines. Some of them don't do it consistently, and so you're going to encounter a hell of a lot that don't have licenses but aren't the victim of anything beyond their own lack of self-respect.

When you can just raid houses of prostitution or naba whole bunch of streetwalkers in one go, you have a much better chance of getting one who was kidnapped by means of volume.

Moreover, pornography is not de facto illegal in this country at all. It is a thriving industry. You keep spounting this off, and I can only imagine it's because you have read some law that you think could be enforced a certain way but A) isn't and B) probably really couldn't be anyhow.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

If by "pot" you mean marijuana, no, I think marijuana should be legalized. I generally don't support legalization of most other receational drugs, however.



This is not school. You do not give me writing assignments. I've seen no good arguments the other way other than the simplistic "but repealing prohibition worked with booze!" so don't act like I need to make some in-depth argument the other way, especially since I've explained my position in the past.



Just because alchohol is legal doesn't mean anything else necessarily should be either. Other drugs have completely different effects on the body, and contribute to different problems in society. I don't, for example, hear of alcoholics robbing convenience stores to support their habit. Prostitution is completely different from either; it involves human beings as a commodity, and so there is a heavy burden of proof to show strong similarities between prostitution and drinking in order to make the argument you've made. I haven't seen any such argument, just an implication that there's a burden to show you why it should remain illegal just because you personally think otherwise.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I'm not commenting on the inherent morality or immorality of prosititution. If prostitution did not have such correlation with abuse and slavery I would support legalizing it.



That's absolutely silly, and it is simply making an abstract and simplistic consistency more important than a workable societal situation for no good reason except to create a false dilemma. In point of fact, sex between consenting adults where money does not change hands has vastly less potential for abuse than when it does; in fact I woudl seriously question any assumption that sex involving money is consenual.



This is a false dilemma. Obviously there is not a clear line, but that does not limit society to picking only one extreme or another in the interest of abstract consistency. Society draws a line where it finds one acceptable.

Your example of dinner and sex is only true if and only if the couple in question had sex simply becuase one had bought the other one dinner. As a general rule, people on dates do not feel compelled to have sex just because someone bought them a steak, and we often refer to those who assume they are owed sex in exchange for dinner as rapists. Usually when the sex is consensual in this case, its a matter of both sides wanting to enjoy each other's company, and the same is true for the dinner.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Actually I'm quite certain of this. It is virtually impossible to operate an Internet porn site without running afoul of the obscenity laws if a prosecutor has it out for you. The laws just aren't enforced.

http://www.justice.gov/criminal/optf/guide/citizens-guide.html

It is a federal crime to transport obscene material across state lines. That pretty much includes the entire Internet by default. Several Supreme Court decisions have ruled that the standard used to determine whether or not the material qualifies as obscene is the community standard in the region where the material is sold. That means all you need to get prosecuted for obscenity is for one person in rural Kansas to subscribe to your porn site.

If you want it, you should be willing to support it. If you were just joking you forgot your

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

We're late to the party, http://www.bayswan.org/COYOTE.html

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Im willing to put my money where her mouth is.

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So in other words, like I said it A) isn't enforced that way, and B) probably can't be, because you don't understand the obscenity laws. What you're describing is not something that is de facto illegal, you're describing something that is de facto legal.

You apparently didn't pay attention to the last part of the obscenity test: "lacking scientific or artistic value" (among others). Showing that something lacks artistic value is exceedngly difficult becuase artistic value is almost totally subjective.

So yes, these laws aren't enforced, because as a practical matter it is almost impossible to do so, hence a thriving porn industry. It takes a hell of a lot more than one person in rural Kansas to prosecute someone for pornography. When something is de facto illegal, it doesn't have a billion-dollar above-board industry.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Do you keep your money wrapped around your cock? That must make for some awkward moments when you pay for lunch.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

I'm sorry, do you have a better ice-breaker?

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The ice breaks pretty fast depending in the size.

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Dream as if you'll live forever...
...Live as if you'll die tomorrow

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So you're saying that say does in fact matter?

Wow, you liberals apparently are that naive.

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Absolutely, size matters greatly in icebreaking

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Dream as if you'll live forever...
...Live as if you'll die tomorrow

Vivere Senza Rimpianti

Fat Penguins.

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Holy shitsnacks!