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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:41 am 
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Is it even possible to live on minimum wage?

http://www.plantingdollars.com/personal-finance/is-living-on-minimum-wage-possible/
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What is minimum wage?

In the U.S. the current minimum wage rate is $7.25 (it may have changed depending on when you’re reading this post so check the post date). Based on that pay rate let’s do a little math.

In a given year full time workers put in approximately 2,080 hours. Multiply that by minimum wage and they’ll be pulling in $15,080 yearly ($1,257 monthly) before taxes. The tax rate for someone in this bracket is 15% for federal, state taxes will vary, we’ll simply use the 15% here to estimate on the low end. That means take home would be $12,818 a year, or $1,068 a month.

What can you buy with that?

How far your money goes will depend on where you’re living of course. In any part of the country you can probably find a decent place to live, most likely with roommates, for about $400-$500 a month. You can also fit in groceries for about $150, and your utilities will be about $40-$50. You may also have a small clothing allowance of $20-$30 a month if you thrift. Using a high estimate you’ll spend about $750 a month on expenses, which will leave you with $300 a month in disposable income. What you do with that will be above and beyond what it necessary to survive so things like eating out or recreation.



So is living on minimum wage possible? Yes, I think living on minimum wage is possible. I even wrote a post about how I do it, a few months ago. However, I think that if you’re even semi-ambitious you’ll move beyond $7.25 an hour in a very short period of time. What you do with your excess funds at that point is up to you, but realize that worse case scenario, you can survive on minimum wage with proper money management.


This does not factor in the cost of a phone which is a necessity in this day and age (we don't even have payphones anymore...when was the last time you saw one?), vehicle (maintenance, gas, mandatory insurance, tags), health insurance if your employer provides it....if not then you have to factor in the cost of doctor visits and medicine which can be quite costly, children (additional food, clothing, childcare while you work, and additional health costs which are QUITE pricey with little ones)....and saving money? Ha! Saving money on minimum wage appears to be impossible.

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That's awfully low for utilities too I'd say. I suppose you could sit around with the lights off but then you have a candle expense not taken into account with the above.

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A basic local service landline will run around 30 a month. A monthly bus or transit pass is around 100.

The article talks about living on minimum wage with an assumption its a single person with no children.

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Ok, assuming it's a single person with no children and no pets, and assuming they are living on the bare minimum....what would the math be on the standard of living in your area?

Here in Mississippi:

Rent: $350
Utilities: $150-$300 (Can't live without AC down here and it gets HOT...plus, the cheaper the home, as a general rule it's less efficient down here on utilities)
Groceries: $150
Vehicle: This would break the bank right here...we have no public transit down here. You must have a vehicle and you must have insurance and tags...if you are extremely fortunate enough to be able to carpool with someone, you still must factor in the cost of gas.
Still would have to factor in the cost of health insurance if its available (usually not for min wage jobs down here at all). If not, would need to factor that stuff into your monthly bill.

Even with this, it's very rare to find someone down here on min wage who isn't either directly supporting children by having them live with them or paying child support.

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Only 0.3% - 0.4% of workers are at minimum wage, counting kids.


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Lex Luthor wrote:
Only 0.3% - 0.4% of workers are at minimum wage.


What percentage of people are in the $8-$11/hr bracket, Lex?

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A phone, vehicle, and utilities are not a "necessity".

They are important, but not required.

It all depends on how you define "living off of minimum wage".


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
A phone, vehicle, and utilities are not a "necessity".
You apparently do not live in the South. A vehicle with current plates and insurance is a requirement for every job, as is a phone in your name at your current residence. And, yes, electricity for an air conditioner and running water to bath are a necessity down here as well.

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Khross wrote:
Arathain Kelvar wrote:
A phone, vehicle, and utilities are not a "necessity".
You apparently do not live in the South. A vehicle with current plates and insurance is a requirement for every job, as is a phone in your name at your current residence. And, yes, electricity for an air conditioner and running water to bath are a necessity down here as well.



So I cannot be employed in "the south" without a vehicle with current plates or a phone registered to my address? Hmm I must have been illegally employed in Georgia and Alabama all that time.

I live in a mid-range area.

Rent of a room within walking distance of the transportation center- @225/mo
Utilities (elec/gas, water, sewer ) @125
Food (I eat well on 40/wk) @160

I'll round it up to 550/month. By their numbers that would leave me almost 518/month for "everything else". I've lived on less. Being "hungry" in the sense of wanting more out of life makes one improve.

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Khross wrote:
Arathain Kelvar wrote:
A phone, vehicle, and utilities are not a "necessity".
You apparently do not live in the South. A vehicle with current plates and insurance is a requirement for every job, as is a phone in your name at your current residence. And, yes, electricity for an air conditioner and running water to bath are a necessity down here as well.


I have lived in the South. I have both worked without a vehicle and phone, and hired individuals without phones or vehicles. So that disproves your first statement.

I lived in Texas, in the summer, in a tent, where the temperature hit a high of 120 degrees, for a period of two months. So that disproves your second statement. Also, I can provide evidence of people existing in the South prior to the invention of air conditioning, if you like.

Again, I agree it's important. It is not required for survival.


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Arathain:

You haven't disproved anything. You've asserted your anecdotal evidence is true. But, it's not ...

Georgia law requires all residences to have a working air conditioner and electricity or gas to power it if someone is in residence at that location. They've required central air conditioning on all new construction since the mid-70s.

Likewise, since most of Georgia and the rest of the South doesn't have public transportation or enough people for Taxi Service, reliable transportation is required. Due to the volatile nature of weather in the South East, a bicycle doesn't count because it can be sunny and sweltering one moment and a full blow monsoon the next.

So, yeah, that's how it is down here ...

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Sorry I lived in Az when I was younger, I rode my bike to my min wage job even in the summer heat. We also didn't have ac in our apt. (and don't give me that crap about the humidity when its 119 degrees it doesn't matter)

Does it suck to live that way, most of the time yes. I still had fun though. I am so sick of hearing about people saying well you can't raise a family on that. Well then don't have one. If the best you can do is min wage don't breed.

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Arizona isn't the South, Killuas. Please try again ...

You guys want to tell me I don't know the laws in my state or its neighbors, that's fine ...

You want to tell those of us who live that it's not the way we know it is, that's fine, too ...

You guys will just be wrong.

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To become employed in most places in the US, you must have a car and a phone. Those questions are asked first. A "no" means you don't get the job.

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Khross, so why can't people bike to work every day? Do they live 20 miles away or something?


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Squirrel Girl wrote:
To become employed in most places in the US, you must have a car and a phone. Those questions are asked first. A "no" means you don't get the job.


I was never asked this when I got my movie theater job.


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Khross, so why can't people bike to work every day? Do they live 20 miles away or something?
People who reek of sweat aren't presentable to the public, much less those drenched with rainwater. And average distance to work around here is about 16 miles. The South sprawls.

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The question is "Do you have reliable transportation?" its not "Do you own a car?"

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Khross wrote:
Arathain:

You haven't disproved anything. You've asserted your anecdotal evidence is true. But, it's not ...

Georgia law requires all residences to have a working air conditioner and electricity or gas to power it if someone is in residence at that location. They've required central air conditioning on all new construction since the mid-70s.

Likewise, since most of Georgia and the rest of the South doesn't have public transportation or enough people for Taxi Service, reliable transportation is required. Due to the volatile nature of weather in the South East, a bicycle doesn't count because it can be sunny and sweltering one moment and a full blow monsoon the next.

So, yeah, that's how it is down here ...


He did, since I've affirmed his statement. You'll need to show your work on these.

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I wasn't asked anything about transportation.


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Elmarnieh:

Around here that translates to ... "Do you have your own car or motorcycle?"

Anything else is not considered reliable transportation.

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Sure, but the question can be answered "yes".

My feet are reliable.

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Khross wrote:
Arathain:

You haven't disproved anything. You've asserted your anecdotal evidence is true. But, it's not ...

Georgia law requires all residences to have a working air conditioner and electricity or gas to power it if someone is in residence at that location. They've required central air conditioning on all new construction since the mid-70s.

Likewise, since most of Georgia and the rest of the South doesn't have public transportation or enough people for Taxi Service, reliable transportation is required. Due to the volatile nature of weather in the South East, a bicycle doesn't count because it can be sunny and sweltering one moment and a full blow monsoon the next.

So, yeah, that's how it is down here ...

Something, something, Scotsmen?

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Something, something, Scotsmen?
Not at all...

Arathain is asserting his anecdotal evidence disproves Georgia law (residences are required to be air conditioned, including apartments). He's also asserting that reliable transportation does not default to "car or motorcycle" in areas where the average commute is 16 miles and public transportation is not available.

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Which state or locality are you talking about khross? Nothing popping up for georgia law on having reliable transportation as a basis of employment or about having to have air conditioning.

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