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Kids who are allergic to nuts should know enough to be careful what they eat.)


I am not going to trust a seven year old with what is litterally a life and death decision.


Ever met a 7-year old Type-1 diabetic?

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SAGUENAY, Quebec — A 15-year-old girl with a peanut allergy did not die from kissing her boyfriend following his snack of peanut butter, a Quebec coroner said Friday, countering a report that drew international attention last year.
Saguenay coroner Michel Miron said Christina Desforges died from another cause. However, he refused to disclose that, saying he first wanted to report to the provincial coroner’s office as well as examine more test results.
But Miron said he was speaking out now to head off an allergy association from using the case as an example.
“The Canadian Association of Food Allergies intended to use the Desforges case to launch an education campaign,” he said. “I had to tell them the cause of death was different than first believed.”
Miron wasn’t available on Friday to comment further on the circumstances of the teen’s death in this small city, about 155 miles north of Quebec City.
Christina Desforges died in a Quebec hospital in November. Reports at the time said doctors were unable to treat her allergic reaction to the kiss the previous weekend.
Miron also said the teen didn’t receive a shot of Adrenalin immediately after being kissed. It was reported the shot hadn’t penetrated her skin.
He said scientific journals had contacted him questioning the use of Adrenalin shot and how it’s injected.
But he said the teen didn’t use her syringe to give herself a shot of Adrenalin because she didn’t have an allergic reaction to peanut butter.

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Taly, there ain't a heck of a lotta options in bum**** Mississippi.


Perhaps that is your problem right there. There are plenty of places to live.


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LK- I don't mean to call you out on this, but you posted a thread about seeing a parent beat their child, but your child goes to a school where they spank children? I'll stick with teaching in the Public School system if they can do that in a private school. Somewhere there are other options in bum**** Mississippi to be had.

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I think "Peanut Kiss of Death" would be a good name for a band.

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In 2007, Mississippi had the lowest median household income of any state in the union. I'm not sure how much that has changed (we've had an economic crisis since then), but the gap is quite substantial. Maryland, for instance, had a median household income of $65,000. Mississippi was at $34,000. I don't understand the social and demographical differences that result in these wide gulfs, but they exist, and likely contribute to a lack of options in many areas.
http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/28/real_es ... st_states/

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Oonagh, punching a child in the back with your fist 6 times in the middle of the street and going to the office to get one or two swats on the gluteous maximus for insubordinate behavior are hardly the same thing.

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I approve of corporal punishment for children. It is NOT the same as beating.

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At Taylor's school the discipline process starts with 3 sticks. Each child has three sticks and when the child does something the teacher disapproves of, a stick is pulled. A note is sent home every day regarding how many sticks were pulled and why. When all three sticks are pulled in one day, the child is sent to the principal's office. If, after reviewing the teacher's statements and the students statements, the principal determines a paddling is necessary, then the parents are called and the student is given a paddling.
Very, very rarely does a child actually have to be paddled. More often than not, the sticks being pulled and the threat of a paddling are more than enough to keep a student in line.
Compare this to the incident on my street where the child did something the parent disapproved of and without any thought, discussion, or hesitation, the child was grabbed, yelled at, and punched repeatedly in between the shoulder blades and dragged kicking and screaming into the house.

Definitely not the same thing.

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You know, I have no problem with spanking, but I get rather uncomfortable at the idea of someone other than a family member spanking my (admittedly imaginary) child. That's a call that I wouldn't like to see made without my express permission.


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You know, I have no problem with spanking, but I get rather uncomfortable at the idea of someone other than a family member spanking my (admittedly imaginary) child. That's a call that I wouldn't like to see made without my express permission.

I suspect at a private school that does use corporal punishment, they get that express permission as part of the enrollment process.

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I don't think most successful people were spanked as kids, I think it's more of a redneck or black thing.


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Oh good, this must be the Taly shouts everyone down in every other post thread!

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FarSky, the school gives you the option of signing a permission slip when you enroll your child that either approves or disapproves their use of corporal punishment on your child. Even if you approve, they still call you and ask for your permission before proceeding.
The spanking is very formal as well. It's not like someone just open handedly slaps your child on the ***. They have a paddle and give the child 3 moderate smacks with it.
I remember kids getting paddled in high school but it only happened two or three times a year and never to me....you had to really misbehave to warrant a paddling. We don't take corporal punishment lightly down here...but you know that already.

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LadyKate wrote:
Oonagh, punching a child in the back with your fist 6 times in the middle of the street and going to the office to get one or two swats on the gluteous maximus for insubordinate behavior are hardly the same thing.



Touching one's own child and someone else touching mine child are completely different things as well. No excuse for either

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Then you would sign the piece of paper when you enroll your child that says " I do NOT give the school permission to use corporal punishment with my child."
That's ok.
And for the record, no one actually touches your child, it's done with a paddle.

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Then you would sign the piece of paper when you enroll your child that says " I do NOT give the school permission to use corporal punishment with my child."
That's ok.
And for the record, no one actually touches your child, it's done with a paddle.


If someone attacks you with a stick or with their fists they are still attacking you.


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Wow, this thread devolved fast.... Seems like a lot of threads regarding parental opinions/decisions have done so lately.

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Wow, this thread devolved fast.... Seems like a lot of threads regarding parental opinions/decisions have done so lately.


It's a touchy subject. Most parents take their responsibilities very seriously and almost no one agrees on any sort of universal truths in raising kids. Even biological grandparents can get snipped at for butting in with opinions on the rearing of their grandkids.
It's understandable.

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Even biological grandparents can get snipped at for butting in with opinions on the rearing of their grandkids.


No way. I don't believe it for a second.

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Hahahahaha! :lol:

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Hopwin wrote:
Oh good, this must be the Taly shouts everyone down in every other post thread!


I'm "shouting?" I'm mostly just agreeing with a few people.

Lex: The vast majority of people throughout history from all socioeconomic classes were spanked as children, often with implements. This didn't cause developmental issues or inhibit their growth as people. This idea some people have that spanking = abuse is a relatively new phenomenon and a product of the "political correctness" mentality. I believe society in general is too permissive and lenient with children these days.

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FarSky, the school gives you the option of signing a permission slip when you enroll your child that either approves or disapproves their use of corporal punishment on your child. Even if you approve, they still call you and ask for your permission before proceeding.

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I wouldn't take issue with the ability of school administration to spank my child, but the individual instances instead. For instance, I'd take serious issue with a principal spanking my child for, say, accidentally passing gas on school grounds.


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