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Agreed.

For the record, spanking of children is not permitted in schools in canada, or by anyone other than their parent/legal guardian of the child. This is a bit of an inconvenience, as I cannot give my parents legal permission, etc. I don't really approve of this law, but it came about as a compromise with groups attempting to ban it entirely.

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Oh, sure... I'm just always amazed at how vocal someone can get when they see someone doing something different with another child than they would do with theirs... It's like they feel that unless everyone does it the same way, it's wrong. Very little understanding for other methods of raising children, or different priorities.

And then there's always the old tried and true favorite "if you don't have kids/don't have kids of this age, you shouldn't voice an opinion!" (See Foamy on Page 2)... Because obviously, the only people that can really have an opinion on child rearing are the ones currently raising children...

I always loved that when I was teaching. Obviously, not having a child of my own meant I was clueless about how to work with them, and the parent always knew better than I did.

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why would you abdicate the decision on if the child should be punished and to what degree? I agree with removing a child from an environment where they are disrupting others, but why would you hand off the actual responsiblity for punishing the child? That schools would want to take matters into their own hands (assuming the parents are actually following through) implys a measure of revenge on the schools part.

And because you don't, she'll grow into a teenager who doesn't know the importance of being aware of her allergies when she goes around kissing boys.

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It's part of the teaching process. They need to be aware that there are rules, and consequences for disobeying those rules -- and parents are not the only authority they need to recognize. Assuming the parent agrees with the rules in question and their consequences, I don't see the issue here.

I remember in early elementary school, we were all terrified that the principle would "give us the strap," -a leather strap across the back of the hand. I don't know anyone who actually had this happen to them in my classes, the mere threat of it was enough to keep us in line.

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I did not say what you think I said. I did not say that no one without a child is entitled to an opinion RE: child rearing.

What I did say is that those who do not have their child in a private school whose disciplinary policy involves spanking, do not have the right to complain about said school's policy. They are making their statement of disapproval by not sending their child(ren) there.

My commentary turned from irritation of how everyone else here thinks they know what it takes to run a classroom into pointing out the fact that a private institution has the right to do what they want based on the wants/needs/expectations of the people paying for their service.

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Nobody died from kissing boys. Did you not read the article? If you know otherwise, post a link.



My son did not get spanked for farting. He got one stick pulled yesterday, which was basically a warning. He did not get the other two sticks pulled. I seriously doubt my son would get all 3 sticks pulled for farting and warrant a paddling, but if by some weird chance they call me and ask to paddle him for that, you can bet I would say no. That's the thing....if Taylor gets sent to the principal's office it's after 3 warnings for his behavior...if he has been disobedient enough to warrant 3 warnings, chances are he should get a paddling. But that is up to me, I have the final say.



"implies a measure of revenge?" No it doesn't. Schools down here have been using corporal punishment for a very long time. It's traditional and it's a part of our culture. This is nothing new. And it is not "handing off responsibility" either. In fact, most children that get paddled at school for their behavior get spanked again at home that evening. Having the parents and the school in tandem in discipline technique and rules is pretty good for the kid if you ask me and a whole heck of a lot of other people.
You don't have to agree that spanking your child is a good idea, and you don't have to agree that allowing your child's school to spank them is a good idea...that's ok, you are entitled to your opinion, but trying to villify the school for it is just ignorant.

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I'm just going to jump in and say that Kaffis never claimed anyone died, and the kissing part wasn't even important. He just said she will grow into a teenager lacking important knowledge for times when her father will likely not be around.

I don't know about that as a universal statement (if by "down here" you mean the South). My brother has been teaching for a couple of years in a rural Arkansas middle school that allows teachers to administer corporal punishment, and it's definitely not the orderly process you described for your kid's school. There is the formal "go the Principal's office for your paddling" thing, but mostly, teachers just up and cuff kids when they say or do something the teacher doesn't like. None of the kids, teachers or parents seem to think anything of it either. It's just part of the routine.

*ETA: Just a clarification that my brother doesn't use corporal punishment; nor does he send kids through the formal discipline process because of his disagreement with it.

You're right, Lenas. I was reading too fast.
RD, Arkansas doesn't count. Most of us in the south pretend Arkansas doesn't exist. They're even more backwards than Mississippi!
Seriously, never seen anything like that down here or heard of it either. Corporal punishment has worked and worked well....cuffing kids on the fly is not how it is supposed to work at all and is not condoned by many except that aforementioned 'sub-culture' that believes the answer to everything is to beat your children.

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Yeah, it's being a bit of a smart ***. I'm sure the teacher knows the difference, just messed up.

But yes, getting in trouble for farting is silly.

Then how can they run a discipline plan like the stick thing? I can't imagine anyone not opting out of having someone hit their child. Corporal punishment is the business of the parents, if they choose to do it. I'm glad I don't live in Mississippi. I would be appalled if any school even approached me with the thought of someone else physically discipling my child. Paddle (weapon) or open-hand or fist, it is still someone else striking someone elses child and to me that is Assault.

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I warn my kids when they stay with someone else, "I have given them permission to spank you if they misbehave." (Nevermind that legally I can't do that.)

They behave.

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I hadn't refreshed the page since yesterday, so I didn't see the refutation on the next page.

When I did, I shrugged, because my point stands. Teach them to take it seriously early, rather than make it everybody else's problem so they grow up not thinking about it all. So I didn't bother editing.

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Oonagh: The stick thing still works because regardless of whether you opt for the paddling or not, the student is still going to the principal's office if they get 3 sticks pulled and a note is going home with the child and they assume the parent will take it from there.
I totally respect that you don't want anyone else disciplining your child, and that's your choice, but to call it assault? I wouldn't go that far. I am assuming that your are utterly and completely anti-spanking because by your logic all spankings are assaults.

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Assault is something of a legal term. Where you live, no, it's not assault. Where I live, yes, it is. (Whether or not I approve of said law.) Where Oonagh lives...no idea.

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WTF is pulling a stick, anyways? Does your son have to carry around a stick for the rest of the day? Does the teacher pull out a stick?

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I don't quite understand that, Tal. How can you spanking your child be ok but giving someone else permission to do the exact same thing be deemed assault? I thought assault was a legal term that was defined by the action itself, not who was doing it?

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/shrug

I agree with you, but that's the law here...only the parent or legal guardian can spank a child here. Anyone else doing so constitutes assault.

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...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
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The teacher has a series of cups or a wall hanging with pouches and each kid has 3 popsicle sticks in his cup/pouch. When the child misbehaves, the teacher instructs the student to go and remove one of their sticks. Some teachers down here use a red, yellow, green, and black light system and others use magnets on a board but the principle is the same.

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Even assuming for a moment that I am okay with the idea of someone not related to me hitting my child... the idea of them doing it with a foreign object would result in *issues*.

I tore into a teacher for the way she was yelling at a student who was not even related to me.

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Actually, the paddle would be illegal here, too.

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...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
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It is assault here. We are not to touch any children in anyway including a playful way. Recently our janitor was sent to jail because he was playing, physically play fighting, with a student. Nice man and false charges were borught against him, it ruined his life. So, regardless, any touching of children is highly frowned upon here in PA especially a "spanking."

LK- Like I said above, corporal punishment is left in the hands of the parents. Any person who is not my husband or myself who touches my child in a manner that demeans him or is used for punishment than to me- it is assault. It is my decision to spank my child if I choose to do so, but even that is difficult to do in the Northern states because once it gets out that you have hit your child, CPS will up at your door in two seconds flat. My kids are my property, until 18, I don't want anyone touching my property, my car, my laptop, my Ipod, and most certainly not my children. I don't give my parents permission to hit my child, so why would I give permission for a stranger, teacher, or principal to do it? There are other ways of giving consequences and other ways of making children behave. I know I use those methods everyday. That is why I am upset by the fact that there are schools that still allow for this even if it rarely happens. The threat just makes me upset. This is why there are flaws in all school systems not just public.

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The youngest diabetic I know I've met was five. He's forty now, married, a dad, and successful at what he does. He has always been very serious about his food and blood sugar.

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Sure he's Type 1? They don't need to watch their food as much, since they control their insulin levels with injections. Eat more sugar? Inject more insulin. Anyway, assuming he was type 1, ever see him give himself insulin, 35 years ago?

I knew a girl at 6 who was a type 1 diabetic. She was giving herself her own injections within a few weeks. If she did it wrong, she'd go into a coma. The thing is, a diabetic has to be trained to recognize on their own when they need insulin. Nobody can tell them when, since they aren't experiencing the symptoms.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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