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You are beautiful and interesting and I can see the other stuff being true too. If she didn't develop feelings for someone who could be all that to her, she has something missing inside her.

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Sasandra wrote:
What makes it even worse is she said she though I was very beautiful, interesting and someone she felt she connected with extremely well and I was sweetest most caring & prefect person she's ever dated and was never treated as well by anyone as she was by me, she just didn't have feelings for me :(

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The saga continues?

Ok, I guess I just wanted to get some rational/sane thoughts on this cause I know my thoughts aren't either of those when it comes to this woman.

Anyways it's been a bit over a month now since she broke up with me and we were together for only 2 months and she said she had no romantic feels for me and just wanted to be friends. So I had told her sure, had IMed with her a couple times but she was distant which was weird but whatever.

Now Anime Boston is this weekend and it was far enough in away from the break-up that I said I would still go with her and her friends which she said that's great, but plans never got setup to meetup there, I texted her asking if she was there this/yesterday morning and she said yes so I asked where they were, she didn't reply and I ran into them 30 mins later and hung out with them for 4-5 hours and went to dinner, again she acted distant, like it bothered her and I mostly talked to her friends, ok, fine, whatever.

Now as I'm driving home from the con I get a message from her saying she isn't really ready to hang out much with me yet for long periods of time, this is where I am really confused. She broke up with me, said she had no feelings for me and just wanted to be friends, now if anyone should be saying that would be me because i'm the one that was broken up with and who has feelings for her, so i'm just really not sure what the heck to make of this.


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It sounds like communication issues. Her "let's just be friends" means I do not want (or I am not prepared for) a relationship with you, but I'm not going to tell you to get out of my life forever, but you are interpreting it literally and would still like to be friends (and friends do things together, hang out, go to events, movies etc..) in a non-romantic / intimate way.

For now, I would say give her space. Don't go out of your way to avoid her, but don't make an effort to run into her either and see what happens. You might want to start looking for someone else, but I don't think you are ready for that yet.

These are just my opinions and observations. Take them as such. The only information I (we collectively) have is what you have provided here. Plus it's easier for us to review and comment as we are not emotionally attached to the situation as we know you are.

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Well the weird thing is that she specifically said she wanted me in her life as just friends, the month break from seeing her was because of me not her, she, at least at that time wanted to just be friends and hang out, but the way she was acting yesterday, her body language, vibe, etc really was like that I broke up with her when she still wanted to be with me.


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She's screwed up. She doesn't know what she wants, which right now is causing a tug of war with your feelings. Stay away, it will only cause you pain and she will apologize for it but you won't end up with her.

Really Sassy, walk away, don't look back. Be polite, but be busy.

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Guilty conscience for how she used you perhaps?

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I'm beginning to think she's been lying to you all along about her not having feelings for you. She does, but they confuse her. She is a control freak and the fact that she is not in control of her feelings in regards to you is freaking her out.

By the way, that makes for a horrible relationship on the other end. Again, stay away, don't go there. You'll only get hurt because she is a control freak and will need to be in control of you. While you are probably willing to cede some control, she will take everything and give nothing back.

Yeah I know, that is a lot to read out of your comments from 3k miles away.

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Sas,

For the TL;DR: Mrs. Katas will be a Ms. soon. I played this as if I was fine. I was not.
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I am getting divorced. It is the end of an 8 year relationship.

While my wife and I had problems, we worked on them, and went through cycles of 'better' and 'bad'.

She initiated the separation, first talking about it 12/14. Given I am 2000 miles from my family, I asked for time to work on things and to have a normal Christmas.

We went to her parents, where I behaved as if life was normal (really? A guy with his in-laws not wanting to tell her family that she's unhappy with him? Whatever would have me do that) and I stepped on her toes a time or two. [Ex: Her cousin asked her for technical support. She gave her answer, I gave a different answer. Caveat: I rewrote the article for the question she was asking about last year.]

We drove home (3 hour drive in silence) and when we get home, the first thing I ask is if I ought to look for an apartment. She says 'Yes'.

It takes a little bit to get things in order, so I move 1/8.

We get along better, at first, than we did when I lived there. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, all that. Plus, she didn't have to be annoyed by me squirreling t-shirts in corners or other pet peeves, not to mention any major issues.

Three weeks later, it's her birthday. I am back at our house hanging out with her and her parents - two days - and I tick her off (again.)

A few weeks later, anniversary of when we met, I prepare a meal for her - scallops and spinach fettucine and a salad with dried cranberries and almonds.

A few weeks later, my birthday, we have a party, things seem to be well, she hosts, we have fun, etc.

I've been applying for a job during this period which would take me 2 hours away. Oh, I failed to mention... we work together. To get to my desk, the most efficient route is past hers. She knows it's a good opportunity, and she can't ask me to stay.

This woman is the best friend I have - with my next best friends being: in Boston, in Austin, my sister (also in Austin), going to EOD in 3 days from now, in Denver, etc.

There's not a lot of friends I have, outside Michael, in the Sacramento area who aren't 1) leaving to Army, 2) having a baby, or 3) my soon-to-be-ex-wife.

However, because we work together, I've been playing the 'I'm fine, don't worry' act at work. When I was told (on my birthday) I didn't get the job I wanted, I didn't let it break me down, because it meant I wouldn't leave the area unexpectedly and hamper any reconciliation efforts.

5 days later, we are hanging out at the house, and she asks, 'Where is this going?'

Me: 'I want to improve as a person and try to make you happy.'
Her: 'I am happier being single.'
Me: 'OK, so it's over.'
Her: 'Yes'

Much more was said that night, including '... if we hadn't been married then [May 2005], I wouldn't have ever married you.' which is very hard for me to understand because we had been married less than a year and I was getting ready to leave behind the life I knew to move with her to be closer to her family and for her to get a teacher's certification.

Anyway, this was 3/14, which was 5 days after my birthday, 5 days before the 3rd anniversary of my mother's death, and I am trying not to show her how much this hurts because her trying to be there is only going to hurt more. Again, best friend for pretty much 8 years, and I can't seek comfort from her.

Anyway, 3/17, her sister is in town, and she invites me to hang out with them. I decline, having previously made plans. (I didn't even really consider the fact that her sister was the first to suggest separation/divorce in December.)
3/18, she complains to me about her mother, who is not, in most ways, a bad woman or a bad mother-in-law. She's just my least favorite of her immediate family.
3/19 - 3/21, she is with her family celebrating her dad's 60th birthday and her grandmother's birthday.

I don't see her - and I am obviously not trying to seek out her company - until maybe 3/24. We don't talk at work that day. 3/25, I had plans to see Sucker Punch, I'd bowed out a weekly D & D game Saturday because a friend may be driving up from Huntington Beach (LA, long ways away), and she swung by my desk to ask what I was doing that weekend.

I say 'You remember Jillian? From Chicago?' [Note: 13-14 years ago, before I knew my wife, but I have told her stories]
She is frustrated by being asked this and ultimately asks me to sushi.
Since Jill knows what is going on, I figure sure, because maybe she'll be there, maybe not, but invited to sushi by my soon-to-be-ex-wife 11 days after she told me it's over to me means:
1) She's regretting her decision OR
2) She's going to serve me with some paperwork and wanted to do it in a public place to avoid a scene OR
3) She's lonely and her depression / medication has her seeking human contact

1 would be awesome, 2 would be understandable and may help healing, 3 is hell but again, best friend, nearly a decade, have to try if she needs it

I try to be zen about the possibilities all day. I tell my D & D friends, who know the plans with Jill are kind of fly-by-the-seat-of-my-pants, that I may not be available because I may be having sushi with Mrs. Katas when we go see Sucker Punch. I go home.

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11:25 PM Mrs. Katas: "We have counciling at 10 if you want to go'

I call her right away.

'What's going on? I mean, this and sushi...'
'Nothing's going on.'
'OK. So you haven't changed your mind. It's over'
'It's over'

Clearly, frustration and anger are what I am getting for trying to decipher these signs. New text: 'I do not want to go out sat with you anymore'

Since Michael is a friend to both of us, and an excellent listener, after I rant to my sister, and to him, I ask him to call and invite her out, because I am concerned for her. I leave a message on her voicemail to apologize for reading into things because it was kindness and courtesy (and lack of consideration, apparently) that had these mixed signals come across. Trying not to choke up the whole time.

Michael has a good meal with her, and she texts me (at D & D, since Jill flaked):
7:35: [Michael] checked in on me
7:55, she calls. I step away from the gaming table and try to pick up. Call failed.
7:56: Ok we don't have to talk. Have it your way.
Me: Call failed.
[Pause]
I call her, and basically, I tell her I don't think we should meet, 1 on 1, and she says 'You couldn't handle it!'

This, again, was 3/26. We have very different shifts at work, so I don't see her much in the following days, and what would I say to her anyway?

4/1, a friend (in Austin) chats me to tell me his dog died. Again, mutual friend, she's a dog lover, etc. I tell her via text message.

'I did not know Keegan had a dog'
'And really, this is the first way you communicate with me in 5 days?'
'Or it looks like we don't speak'

(During this, I was driving around, squiring our friend Iz to her birthday party.)

I check my phone and explain: 'Sorry, I don't know what I'd tell you - but I thought you may want to give Keegan sympathy'
'You could also wish Iz happy birthday - was driving with her to her birthday dinner'

Mrs. K: 'I will. I did not know she was having a party.'
'I don't think we should see each other socially either'

5 days later, the dog we were offered (by the friend going EOD, 1 day after the separation talk, 10 days before Christmas) is hurt. Nothing serious, thankfully, but she texts me, I call, she invites me '...come over and talk about this like adults...' - so I do, and we make a modicum of peace.

She said she didn't realize I would be hurt 11 days after she told me it was over. That I appeared to be fine.

*sigh*

In talking to my sister, who left her husband because she realized she liked women, she said:
'Women are crazy. A year after we were separated, we were at a baby thing for a couple we both knew. I got so drunk, I cried and vomited on my roommate's car.'
'Wow - uhm, I don't really care, but my belief was that you didn't like boy parts anymore?'
'I don't. Isn't that f^&*ed up?'

Sorry for the rant, but I thought it may provide some insight into things - sure, she broke it off, and yes, she said she was fine with seeing you again.

She may have been playing it safe and hiding from her feelings, and trying to be strong after being afraid.

It's one thing to be the dumpee and play it strong, another to be the dumper.

Run away as fast as you can from that crap.

Women are all sorts of crazy, and when you find one whose crazy doesn't annoy you and who is not annoyed by your crazy, count your blessing.

I wish you luck with your search. I'll let you know how mine goes once I start it.

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As to the above post - I've tried to be a friend to both of them. They are both, not surprisingly, complex people with complex emotional bases.

Katas is gleefully geeky and a very nice guy. He is a foodie with a fondness for very good sushi, and he found a place we both like. Oh, and he's a pretty good tech with a good ability to analyze and resolve apple product "features" over the phone.

Ms. K, well, accepting her decision has been less than fun, but as Katas said, I'm a good listener. Their are aspects to this that make this a logical decision for her as she looks down the long road. Also, she started being really annoyed By Katas's crazy, though it hadn't changed much over time as far as I could tell.

All in all I think this will work out for the best for both of them, though to tell you the truth it shocked me when it happened.

I'm just wishing good luck and happy futures to both of them, whomever they may make them with.

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I'm sorry Katas :( and Sas for you too. God, is Divorce and craziness becoming so much more prevalent ?

I guess I have my own craziness to deal with, but I want to figure that out before I subject another to it.

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I've been married 3 times, divorced twice, been in ... well, many ... relationships. The marriages ended with me fighting to get back to what we had when we got married in the first place, finding that spark that got us together in the first place. I'm 0 for 2 on that.

Most (but not all) other relationships ended with me being the one to leave 'cause I knew it wasn't going anywhere either of us wanted and accepting that somebody had to be the one to end it, may as well be me. When I wasn't the one that wanted to end it, it sucked. I took that as a learning experience and commiserated with the women I left in previous relationships. All I got there is, try to be as kind as possible and don't ask someone to do what you wouldn't want to be asked to do, like "just be friends" with someone you have deeper feelings for.


The only other bits of advice for problems in a relationship is this (spoilered for berevity):

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I knew in minutes if there was no way this relationship was going to be more than physical for me. Wasn't sure if love was going to enter the equation, but knew immediately if it wasn't. Not sure why, just the way it is. I also figure it's that way with others, so I take this as a truism, an ultimate truth about the universe.

Premise B:
There's always a monkey when things are rough, and the monkey has to be on someone's back...something that's irritating you, causing you to make a decision that you may or may not want to make, that's the monkey.

SO... to address A), I always accept that it exists and if someone I'm interested in a relationship with tells me it's over or I tell them that it's over, I see this as re-enforcing A) and I accept it. Move on, no harm, no foul. Smile, bow, and exit stage left. Stop contacting them, stop responding to their contacts. Over is over, and there's other fish. Get your head on straight and get prepared for the next opportunity.

After you let a relationship form, B) is the hardest thing to deal with. So, I don't. Oh, I've tried... really really tried ... to get that lovin' feeling back, or encourage others to get it back. Never helped, and most of the time it either made things worse or made me feel worse about it. I asked myself why and didn't have a good answer, so I stopped. Works great! I'll compromise, work with someone if they want me to, apologize if I've said or done something that causes hurt feelings, but I refuse to accept the emotional pressure of feeling a responsibility for the relationship.

It's not my job to be the one that wants to continue the relationship, it's both our jobs. I always compare it to being hitched to a wagon I can't pull by myself. It can move when both of us pull, but otherwise, it's wasted effort to pull when the other doesn't want to. So, I don't.

So, to wrap this all up, make sure you're doing what makes you happy. If someone wants to join in for a while, great! If they want to stay, cool! If not, well, keep being happy. If someone wants to do stuff that keeps you from being happy, you gotta smell the coffee (you suck at relationships when you're not happy, so by definition it's a sucky relationship) so smile, bow, and exit stage left.

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The fact that my invalid mother was living with us probably had a lot to do with that. Mom got to the point were I couldn't help her anymore so we put her in a nursing home, I apologized, and things went back to wonderful normalcy. I have no problem for apologizing, heck, I don't want to hurt her feelings, so hell yeah I'm sorry if I did.

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...you were at AB?

I was there too lol

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Kirra,

Thank you for the sympathy.

I wish I knew.

In my circle of friends, there is: a co-worker in my group, the sister of the good friend who is shipping out for EOD basic tomorrow, some friends back in Wisconsin, and another co-worker who may join us in the talking about/separated/divorcing group.

Michael,

Thank you for the explanation.

I don't know these long term things that make sense for her to do this. I don't believe I was told. In other news, she offered to hold hands yesterday at the EOD going-away/Easter party.

Sas,

Sorry to derail the rant.

However, I have to ask: when you were hanging with her, was there a) limited physical contact, b) she initiated physical contact, c) you initiated physical contact, or d) the whole group of girls was very hug/arms around waist?

It may be relevant. Dunno.

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Sas and Katas, I have some words. But I am known to all my friends to be extremely blunt. If that's not something you want to hear, I'd recommend skipping over this post. I find that while bluntness is not always what people want to hear, it's usually what they need to hear. They always keep coming back for more, so I assume I am doing something right. *shrug*






Sas:

In my long histrory of being the dumpee of women, I can tell you that 99 times out of 100 "I just want to be friends" doesn't actually mean "I just want to be friends." It's been my experience that women hate playing the "bad guy" and therefore try to sugar-coat a break-up as much as they possibly can to "spare your feelings" (even though by drawing it out, they do more damage... It's been my observation that they don't care if you get hurt, as long as they aren't there to see it). So I am thinking that this gal falls into one of the 99 out of 100 camp. The best way I can translate "Let's just be friends" is "I don't know what the hell I want, but I don't think I want you a part of my life at all. Since I don't want to tell you this in these exact words, I will use 'Let's just be friends' and pray to Allah that you get the hint and don't take it literally." (yes, men do this too.... but I've known more men than women to be blunt in a breakup)

The mere fact that you said she did not respond to your text asking where she was proves this to me. Actions speak louder than words, and with women (and men, but especially women) you have to look at their actions when their words and actions contradict one another. I am sorry your heart got tugged around a lot. It sucks, I know. I've been there often. What helps is as I just stated above, always look at actions instead of words. It really helps give you a true lock on where a relationship is at. Once I started doing that, most of my break-ups were not a surprise and.. hell... some of them were preemptively initiated by me and they were shocked that I knew what they were thinking.

You're a great a person with a lot to give. When a person you find wonderful decides that they don't want to be with you, it doesn't mean anything other than they themselves have issues to work on and maybe they aren't as great under the surface as you think. As much as it hurts, always look at your relationships, even the bad ones, as learning tools. Tools that you will use to find you the perfect person for you. And you'll get there. Just be very objective with your relationships from here on out. Take a few steps back, look at the whole picture, see what you're doing that you could change and see what they're doing as well by their actions. I promise it will get better.


Katas:

I am sorry you are going through this. But I don't think this lady is as good of a friend as you think she is. She sounds crazy. And she definitely sounds like she has no idea what the hell she wants. All she knows is that she's unhappy and expecting some radical change to help make her happy. And I think she expects you to know the answer, which is why she flies into a rage when you don't respond with how to fix it. But what she doesn't realize is that what needs fixing is her own mental and emotional health, and that's not something you or anyone else can fix. She needs to do that on her own. And either she doesn't realize it or that she refuses to realize it.

She is an anchor around your neck, and her problems are taking you down with her, possibly for some time now. She has been feeding off of your emotional stability to help with her own, but a codependent relationship can only work for so long before it blows up. My brother may be in one of these relationships now in its early stages and it pains me to see it there. But it's so, so early that I can't say anything without looking like a d-bag.

Counseling is exactly what she needs. But I don't think she realizes she's the one with the problem. She probably thinks counselling is needed so that *you* change and whatever needs fixing inside of her will be able to respond to that. And even *IF* that were to happen, it's only a matter of time before this blows up again on you.

I am not saying you're perfect, none of us are in relationships. But the way you describe her behaviour lends me to believe certain factoids about her and what's going on. Here is what my gut says and you tell me if I am on the money or way off the mark: You are the pacifist in the relationship. When there's a problem, you are the one to go out of your way to fix it. You are always the one to initiate ideas or changes to keep the relationship stable. If she has ever tried to make changes to better the relationship, it is usually very rare and she never follows through for very long, if at all. She sees you as the sole and major problem of the relationship, and doesn't see anything wrong with her.

If you're thinking "Yeah, Numbuk is 90% or more correct" then guess what? You're in a codependent relationship and she's a parasite of your emotional being because she can't make herself happy on her own. She's thinking a divorce will help, and she's wrong. But, here's the kicker and plot twist, even though I don't think divorce will make her happy..... it will make YOU happier. You do not need this kind of emotional baggage and burden. You have been bearing the weight of her emotional and mental unstability for this long. How long do you think you can go before you yourself snap from that kind of pressure? You deserve to be happy too. And there are women out there who actually are far more stable than she. Imagine how nice that would be. It is my personal (and I guess somewhat sexist) belief that all women are a little emotionally insecure, even if it's a tiny fraction... so you'll always have to deal with it in some fashion. But, there are minors and extremes. And your wife is an extreme.

It always hurts when someone rejects you. Even moreso when they speak of divorce, because it is an ultimate rejection. How can that not hurt? But you have to look at it this way, you're being told by a crazy person who is an emotional minefield that you can't make them happy. And they're right. Nobody can make them happy! Nobody but themselves. And usually they refuse to accept that answer. I would say go through your lumps and pain, but I know you will come out happier and stronger on the other side. You have to believe that. The mere fact that you worked so hard to make the relationship work speaks *VOLUMES* of your character, and that kind of character is 24 karat gold to women looking for a good man in their lives.

Anyway, that's just my armchair take on two situations with extremely limited information. I could be way, way, way wrong. And if you think I am, that's fine. Just please don't dismiss my thoughts because it's something you both don't want to hear. If it is the truth, the truth can be painful. But also very helpful. I've had to have a few doses of it myself over the years.

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Wow Numbuk, you said pretty much what I was going to say.
Also, Katas, sounds like the soon-to-be-ex-mrs.K has that whole "I don't want you, but when it looks like someone else wants you then I want you but only for a minute until I remember I don't really want you" thing going on. Don't fall for that. Also, don't be her crutch. I know she has been your best friend for 8 years, but you need to leave her alone and let her figure out what she wants on her own...you don't need your heart yo-yoed around....I've been like her in relationships before and I treated the guy very badly. I didn't want him but whenever I was scared or lonely, I was needy and clingy and friendly and then when I felt confident again I'd leave him cold and dry...some guys, remarkably, will continue doing this at great personal expense to their sanity. I've been on the recieving end of this type of behavior as well and it's AWFUL.
Grieve, join a support group, hang out with NON-MUTUAL friends (sorry Micheal) so you won't be tempted to ask for "news" or pass messages back and forth. Make new friends if need be. Be selfish for awhile and do what makes YOU happy...all the things you couldn't do while in a relationship where it was give and take.
*hugs* Sorry for your loss, Katas. I know it hurts.

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Yeah, he needs more friends, and he's started making them. A lot of this advice resembles what I've been trying to say without hurting him too much.

She's not really all that crazy, but she has made her decision and LadyKate's advice is very sound. She will slip into the need a crutch now and then type of behavior and interfere in his life now that she has little to say about anything.

I'll be having dinner with Katas later, we'll talk then. Now I'm waiting for the plumber. Clogs on Easter, grrr.

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Clogs on Easter are better than at Christmas! :P

Sas and Katas I have no advice only big hugs for both of you and hopes that things get better for you soon!!

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I'm beginning to think she's been lying to you all along about her not having feelings for you. She does, but they confuse her. She is a control freak and the fact that she is not in control of her feelings in regards to you is freaking her out.


I'm pretty certain that's the case, or if not lying to me about her feelings she's lying to herself about them, the way she acted was never like she had no feelings, the way she's been since the breakup and then this weekend really solidifies that belief. However she's never come off as a control freak so I don't think that's in, I think it's a scared reaction because of her parent's failed marriage.

Also even if so, honestly someone being a control freak is not an especially bad trait for me since I generally prefer the other person to make the decisions, take charge, etc, she wasn't like that in general however, she was very easy going.

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...you were at AB?

I was there too lol


Yup, all 3 days, too bad I didn't know you were going to be there we could have met up.

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Sas,

Sorry to derail the rant.

However, I have to ask: when you were hanging with her, was there a) limited physical contact, b) she initiated physical contact, c) you initiated physical contact, or d) the whole group of girls was very hug/arms around waist?

It may be relevant. Dunno.


There was no physical contact between myself and her the entire time, there just was with her friends, the one I know (she hugged me) and her friend I hadn't met yet, he shook my hand.



As for moving on and dating other women, trust me, I've tried, that what I do when I go thru a breakup, I meet people online and go on dates, and even if it's not a good date I completely forget about the current ex while taking to them and on a date, my current ex I started dating just 2 weeks after the previous one broke up with me, I moved right on with no issues at all. It's different with my current ex though, I went on a date 2 weeks ago, while there was nothing there she was awesome, still I was thinking about my ex the whole time.

At Anime Boston this week I met a woman Friday night, we went on a date Saturday night, we made out, she stayed the night Saturday, and we spent the whole day together, she's an amazing match, I actually looked on okcupid and realized from her profile I thought so highly of her and compatible that I rated her the max 5 stars which I almost never rate anyone, not even my ex that high, and to put things in perspective the earliest I've kissed someone before was a 3rd date, spending the night 3 weeks, despite her being such an amazing match all I could thing about is my ex the entire weekend, when I was kissing and cuddling with her I was thinking of my ex, it's really bad.

I honestly really think my ex is the one, I've never had feelings that intense for someone before and I've had very intense feelings for women before, but they were nothing compared to what I feel for this woman. It's actually killed my emotions, and I am an extremely emotional person, but I've felt emotionally dead since the breakup, I haven't cried once since the night she broke up with me, I haven't had any feels at all since, I've just felt numb and even with everything I've gone thru in my life I have never once been in this state, my emotions really do control me and are a huge part of me and play a major roll in everything I do, and since her they are gone :/


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The mere fact that you said she did not respond to your text asking where she was proves this to me. Actions speak louder than words, and with women (and men, but especially women) you have to look at their actions when their words and actions contradict one another.


I can't tell you how many times I've gone through the above.

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Katas: I've spent about the past ten years of my life watching a friend pick up the pieces after a separation-turned-divorce. To this day, she takes it as a personal affront whenever he dates another woman. (She's been in a relationship since before their divorce finalized, is married, and has a child with her new man). Do not trust your ex-wife to have any consideration for your feelings. Your past relationship with her is exactly that - a past relationship.

Get someone in your corner. You need a friend that isn't a mutual friend. You need someone who is your friend, and who is there to support you. We all know she didn't commit all the crimes, and that you had your share of the blame, but you still need someone who has your back. I can not offer you the sort of support you need right now, but I would like to extend my willingness to hate her on your behalf. It's a token gesture, I'll admit, but you'll find that it goes a long way. Throughout all of this, it has become painfully obvious to me that at no point did you have someone to tell you, "Why are you moving into an apartment? **** that *****, she can move into an apartment."

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Coro's got a big point: Someone's got to be looking out exclusively for you Katas.

Sas, walk away. Quickly. Don't look back.

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Yeah, I'm noticing a theme that all of the mutual friends seem to be women. Which I'm afraid means that "mutual friend" actually translates to "her friends." I've had enough friends go through divorce to know that makes a bad time even worse.

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Especially when the friends are already divorced.

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