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This is gonna hurt Sony pretty badly.

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I have heard rumor that this was actually done by Sony themselves to fix an exploit allowing people to enter false credit card #s.

It seems highly unlikely though, and I can find not even a tiny bit of verification on that.

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This is gonna hurt Sony pretty badly.


Good. **** Sony.

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Friend just got 1,500 charges on her PSN credit card.

Not 1,500 in charges, either.

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The level of intrusion Sony allowed demonstrates one of two things (or a staggering combination of both) that should destroy all consumer confidence in their product:

Either Sony is the most incompetent mass network developer on the planet or persons at Sony were complicit in the intrusion.

The first means key parties responsible for the development of PSN need jail time.

The second means pretty much the same.

75,000,000 complete identities have been compromised; the hammer is going to fall.

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Can't remember if sony forced me to enter a CC to sign up, but I've never purchased anything from PSN (thank goodness). Sure hope they didn't force me to enter one.


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Xbox Live, PSN, WoW, Amazon, eBay, hell we can go all the way back to AOL and Compuserve.

Sooner or later this was going to happen. The law of averages is rather specific in that regard. One of these networks was going to fail, and surrender all of its data to a hacking attempt. Sooner or later, someone is going to get lucky and crack security.

Now, unfortunately, that doesn't absolve Sony of any guilt. Blizzard has proven they can handle security on that scale. Microsoft has proven they can handle security on that scale. A company like Amazon that isn't even a software developer has proven they can handle that type of security. Why couldn't Sony? It isn't like Sony doesn't hire people with that set of technical skills.

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I'm sure the real reason has something to do with early development of the PS3 being a cluster **** with no one knowing what was going on.


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But we're not talking about files that can transmitted in a matter of seconds or minutes ...

We're talking about an enormous amount of data: days or hours worth at exceptional speeds.

How did Sony not know? Why did Sony not catch it faster? These are very troubling questions.

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If you have enough nuclear power plants, even if they are very well protected, one will leak out massive amounts of radiation every once in a while. It's the same deal here. Lots of large networks holding lots of accounts and passwords... just a matter of time.


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From an article on ARS

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011 ... t=My+Yahoo

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Another interesting revelation is the fact that some of the data was encrypted, and some wasn't. "The entire credit card table was encrypted and we have no evidence that credit card data was taken. The personal data table, which is a separate data set, was not encrypted, but was, of course, behind a very sophisticated security system that was breached in a malicious attack," Seybold wrote. He also pointed out that the information was behind both physical and electronic safeguards, with means the attack may have been carried out by an employee.

In terms of your credit card information and password, Seybold repeated our advice to search for an e-mail from "DoNotReply@ac.playstation.net," which will give you the first and last digits of the credit card you have on file with Sony. A coming update will prompt you to change your password when you log back into the PlayStation Network.


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I canceled my debit card, and I've had to change my passwords on, well, almost everything.

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I'm not worried about it. I'm gonna go ahead and not cancel anything, see how it plays out.


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FarSky wrote:
I canceled my debit card


I did this as well. Chase asked why, and as soon as the Word Sony left my mouth they had a temporary card in my hand and had ordered me a new one, completely expecting that response.

I had to change a couple of passwords, but not many.

I also contacted the credit groups and put that whole potential fraud, I hope someone pipe bombs the owner of SoE, alert on my credit stuff.

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Don't blame SoE man, their data is fine. Blame the engineers behind the PS3.


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Honestly right now... especially after the Seybold cocksucker admits that it could have been an employee....

I just received a notification of the problem at all from Sony today at 3am, 10 days after the problem arose....

I am going to do what I can to ensure that I have no Sony products in my home.

I am even looking to sell my PS3 and get a wifi capable Blu Ray player with Netflix app.

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and sorry SCEA not SoE

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Wow, I always love the chicken little reactions to stuff like this. Seriously, if your data exists there's a most definite chance of it getting hacked, honestly I would bet Sony's existing security measures were just as secure as say your bank. Aside from having no outside connection everything is hackable provided some douche wants to spend enough time trying to, going to another company isn't going to make you any more safe, probably less because this is causing them to make their network significantly more secure than it was before.


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Xbox Live, PSN, WoW, Amazon, eBay, hell we can go all the way back to AOL and Compuserve.

Sooner or later this was going to happen. The law of averages is rather specific in that regard. One of these networks was going to fail, and surrender all of its data to a hacking attempt. Sooner or later, someone is going to get lucky and crack security.

Now, unfortunately, that doesn't absolve Sony of any guilt. Blizzard has proven they can handle security on that scale. Microsoft has proven they can handle security on that scale. A company like Amazon that isn't even a software developer has proven they can handle that type of security. Why couldn't Sony? It isn't like Sony doesn't hire people with that set of technical skills.
Out of all of those networks, Sony was the one to get hacked. So apparently their security wasn't as good as, say, my bank.

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Wow, I always love the chicken little reactions to stuff like this. Seriously, if your data exists there's a most definite chance of it getting hacked, honestly I would bet Sony's existing security measures were just as secure as say your bank. Aside from having no outside connection everything is hackable provided some douche wants to spend enough time trying to, going to another company isn't going to make you any more safe, probably less because this is causing them to make their network significantly more secure than it was before.

Um, I don't think anyone here is suddenly going to go "off the grid" and withdraw from online transactions. The point here isn't that we're afraid our information will be compromised. The point is that OUR INFORMATION HAS BEEN COMPROMISED. This isn't a "chicken little" scenario, this is actual "someone out there most definitely has my ubiquitous Internet nom de plume, the standard password that is associated with it, along with various other information like my billing address, and most likely, my credit card number and security code." We're well past "oh, you're just overreacting in canceling your card and changing your passwords."


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How is it a chicken little reaction when they sent out emails with this in the text:
email I received from Sony wrote:
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PlayStation(R)Network

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Valued PlayStation(R)Network/Qriocity Customer:

We have discovered that between April 17 and April 19, 2011,
certain PlayStation Network and Qriocity service user account
information was compromised in connection with an illegal and
unauthorized intrusion into our network. In response to this
intrusion, we have:

1) Temporarily turned off PlayStation Network and Qriocity services;

2) Engaged an outside, recognized security firm to conduct a full
and complete investigation into what happened; and

3) Quickly taken steps to enhance security and strengthen our
network infrastructure by rebuilding our system to provide you
with greater protection of your personal information.

We greatly appreciate your patience, understanding and goodwill
as we do whatever it takes to resolve these issues as quickly and
efficiently as practicable.

Although we are still investigating the details of this incident,
we believe that an unauthorized person has obtained the following
information that you provided: name, address (city, state, zip), country,
email address, birthdate, PlayStation Network/Qriocity password and login,
and handle/PSN online ID. It is also possible that your profile data,
including purchase history and billing address (city, state, zip),
and your PlayStation Network/Qriocity password security answers may
have been obtained. If you have authorized a sub-account for your
dependent, the same data with respect to your dependent may have
been obtained. While there is no evidence at this time that credit
card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility. If you have
provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity,
out of an abundance of caution we are advising you that your credit
card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may have
been obtained.



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Um, I don't think anyone here is suddenly going to go "off the grid" and withdraw from online transactions. The point here isn't that we're afraid our information will be compromised. The point is that OUR INFORMATION HAS BEEN COMPROMISED. This isn't a "chicken little" scenario, this is actual "someone out there most definitely has my ubiquitous Internet nom de plume, the standard password that is associated with it, along with various other information like my billing address, and most likely, my credit card number and security code." We're well past "oh, you're just overreacting in canceling your card and changing your passwords."


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honestly I would bet Sony's existing security measures were just as secure as say your bank


I'll take that bet!


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Sasandra wrote:
Wow, I always love the chicken little reactions to stuff like this. Seriously, if your data exists there's a most definite chance of it getting hacked, honestly I would bet Sony's existing security measures were just as secure as say your bank. Aside from having no outside connection everything is hackable provided some douche wants to spend enough time trying to, going to another company isn't going to make you any more safe, probably less because this is causing them to make their network significantly more secure than it was before.


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... and most likely, my credit card number and security code." We're well past "oh, you're just overreacting in canceling your card and changing your passwords."


It's certainly not "most likely". Sony already said all of the credit card numbers were encrypted and all of this information was taken in February. If someone were going to be charging credit cards, they would have been doing so before this news even became public.


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