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US military operations in Libya are on course to cost hundreds of millions of dollars more than the Pentagon estimated, according to figures obtained by the Financial Times.

Robert Gates, the outgoing secretary of defence, said last month that the Pentagon expected to spend “somewhere in the ball park of $750m” in the 2011 fiscal year as part of efforts to protect the Libyan people.

But according to a Pentagon memo which includes a detailed update on the progress and pace of operations, by mid-May US operations in Libya had cost $664m, a figure confirmed by the Department of Defence.

The document, entitled the “United States Contribution to Operation Unified Protector’’, adds that US costs are running at a rate of about $2m a day or $60m a month. The memo has been circulating on Capitol Hill since last week. The DoD declined to comment on the increased costs of the operation.

The pace of spending is higher than reported by the DoD comptroller’s office in late March. In a congressional hearing, Pentagon officials said the US had spent about $550m on Libya, at a rate of about $40m a month.

If spending remains at the increased rate until the end of the recently extended Nato authorisation period, the DoD could face an extra bill of about $274m to pay for a combination of air strikes, refuelling operations and intelligence-gathering missions, putting further strain on its budget.

Any extra spending will further strain the DoD’s budget, which is under pressure from cost overruns on procurement programmes and under threat from significant cuts as part of Congressional efforts to address the federal deficit.

Despite continuing to press the White House for additional funding for Libya operations, in his May comments Secretary Gates suggested that “in the case of Libya, unfortunately, we’re fundamentally having to eat that one.”

Any additional costs could also add to pressure on the US to limit its mission in Libya. Last week, the House of Representatives passed a non-binding resolution demanding that President Obama explain the US involvement in Libya, forestalling a more radical measure seeking an end to US involvement.

Although it is working under Nato, the US is by far the largest contributor to operation Unified Protector. As of mid-May it was conducting 70 per cent of reconnaissance missions, over 75 per cent of refuelling flights and 27 per cent of all air sorties.

The US has about 75 aircraft, including drones, involved in the operations and since the end of March has conducted about 2,600 aircraft sorties and about 600 combat sorties. In addition the US military can call on a number of naval assets in the Mediterranean.

As well as its contribution to the Nato operation, US spending on Libya includes its twelve day operation Odyssey Dawn that took place before Nato took over.

In total the US military has fired about 228 missiles as of mid-May. For comparison the US Navy plans to buy 196 or so missiles this year for about $300m or about $1.5m each, according to US budget documents.

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I completely expected this. Didn't several people on the Glade support this war? Please justify why again, or at least admit that you have poor foresight.


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It's a dirt-ass cheap war. Explain why $664 million is an outrageous cost, or why now that we have reached that numebr that obligates anyone to explain their support?

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It's a dirt-ass cheap war. Explain why $664 million is an outrageous cost, or why now that we have reached that numebr that obligates anyone to explain their support?


Because its money we have no business spending? Why again are we in Libya?

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Why again are we in Libya?


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It's a dirt-ass cheap war. Explain why $664 million is an outrageous cost, or why now that we have reached that numebr that obligates anyone to explain their support?

Why again are we in Libya?


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It's a dirt-ass cheap war. Explain why $664 million is an outrageous cost, or why now that we have reached that numebr that obligates anyone to explain their support?


It's still a large cost, although it is just a fraction of other wars.


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It's a dirt-ass cheap war. Explain why $664 million is an outrageous cost, or why now that we have reached that numebr that obligates anyone to explain their support?


Because its money we have no business spending? Why again are we in Libya?


Again, why is that important at 664 million, and don't ask me why we're there.. I wasn't in favor of it in the first place. Lex is just making his usual thoughtless argument against it.

The reason we're there is Obama is totally into the idea that we foot the bill, but subordinate our military power to NATO/UN/whoever and let them all have a vote. Of course, he's only like that up to a point, but that's why we're there.. because it's baaaaaad when we start a war but totally cool if Britain and France ask us to.

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664M is just the figure that was given. It could have been 800 or 400 or 2B and its still outrageous.

Its not the amount that's outrageous, its that we're spending it at all in such a horrible economy.

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I agree. If we weren't having economic issues then I wouldn't care so much.


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Unemployment, illegal immigration, infrastructure, veterans benefits... just a few things off the top of my head that are more important to spend 600M+ on rather than some BS civil war in Libya that France wants us to fight because they can't.

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Yes, spending nearly a billion dollars on that silly war is wasteful...

We could have saved that money for the war in Yemen!


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There's a war in Yemen now?

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Apparently...

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$664 million to support a country that has risen up on it's own against a tyrannical regime is money well spent, in my opinion. If it ends up costing us a billion, that still means we could have helped free over a thousand Libyas with the money we used to invade Iraq.

I will admit that I haven't been following the conflict very closely recently, so if there's something you feel I'm missing here, feel free to explain.


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These economic changes spread Libya's wealth much more broadly than it had been. The Gini index is a measure of economic dis-equity. In the mid 2000s Wikipedia showed a Gini of 36 for Libya. The Gini for the USA in 2009 was 40.8 (substantially more dis-equitable). Gaddafi's efforts also improved the average health of Libyans. In 2009 the CIA's World Factbook showed the average life expectancy of a Libyan to be 77 years (only one year less than that of an American citizen).


Such a horrible person... spreading oil wealth to the poor, oppressing them with a higher quality of living. Clearly we should spend hundreds of millions removing him to support criminals who stole weapons and carried out illegal attacks (being sarcastic). The rebels should be thrown into prison, in my opinion, for committing felonies.

The U.S. military has directly caused more pain and agony than Gaddaffi ever could. Maybe it should be okay to blow up government buildings according to pro-rebel thought.


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So that's it? Spreading some wealth around and raising the average life expectancy a little is enough for you? You have to look at the situation with opportunity costs in mind. Don't you think another leader could have easily accomplished those same things without um, killing people for simply disagreeing with him? Isn't freedom worth something? Apparently it's worth something to the Libyans who are willing to give up their lives fighting Gaddafi's forces.


And since you're so big on your law-and-order status quo thing, Gaddafi has an arrest warrant for crimes against humanity. Don't you agree that, for defying international law, he should be arrested and thrown in prison? Cause right now it seems that, according to Lex-Luther thought, it's okay to commit crimes against humanity.


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I could have easily supported a war in Libya, depending on how it was presented, executed, organized, and depending on the objectives.

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... it seems that, according to Lex-Luther thought, it's okay to commit crimes against humanity.

I'll let you think about that for a minute.

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... it seems that, according to Lex-Luther thought, it's okay to commit crimes against humanity.

I'll let you think about that for a minute.


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If we are in Libya, why not Darfur? Other African nations? Was it not the view that "Cowboy Democracy " was wrong? Or is it because we are doing a G-8 version of the UN that this is suddenly "OK".

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If we are in Libya, why not Darfur? Other African nations? Was it not the view that "Cowboy Democracy " was wrong? Or is it because we are doing a G-8 version of the UN that this is suddenly "OK".


Who are you asking?


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If we are in Libya, why not Darfur? Other African nations? Was it not the view that "Cowboy Democracy " was wrong? Or is it because we are doing a G-8 version of the UN that this is suddenly "OK".


Frankly, just because we are fighting one dictator or involved in any given shithole does not mean we need to get involved in all of them. Each shithole should be judged on its own merits.

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Amanar wrote:
$664 million to support a country that has risen up on it's own against a tyrannical regime is money well spent, in my opinion. If it ends up costing us a billion, that still means we could have helped free over a thousand Libyas with the money we used to invade Iraq.

I will admit that I haven't been following the conflict very closely recently, so if there's something you feel I'm missing here, feel free to explain.



Then you and people who feel as you do are free to spend it and hire private mercenaries. Don't tax us all to do what you wish to do with other people's money.

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If we are in Libya, why not Darfur? Other African nations? Was it not the view that "Cowboy Democracy " was wrong? Or is it because we are doing a G-8 version of the UN that this is suddenly "OK".


Who are you asking?

Jesus? It's a good question. We have a skitzo foreign policy. We arm freedom fighters then a couple decades later have to tear them down as terrorists or evil dictators. We support foreign aid which usually just goes to corrupt leaders and keeps them in power. A better question is should we be involved at all, since the military-industrial complex just takes the money for these adventures from citizens who mostly don't care. I wish the people of the world well, but I would rather not be compelled to have my dollars spent on them.

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