The Glade 4.0

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/06/29/37770.htm

Summary: Police taser and beat mentally challenged juvenile because they took his speech impediment as an insult.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Summary: According to the kid's mother, who is therefor suing over the allegations.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

And neighborhood witnesses.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Anyone surprised?

About what?

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

That the muppet is posting about what he considers out-of-control cops?

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In time, this too shall pass.

It'll get settled out of court and therefore wont be recorded as a statistic.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Those statistics aren't recorded anyway.

http://bluemustbetrue.com/2008/12/06/how-many-people-are-shot-by-police-in-the-us-annually.aspx

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

Elmo:

Honest question. What would you suggest be done? You continue posting these incidents where the police do something such as this and are likely out of line.

I would honestly like to know what it is you would suggest or what your ideal scenario would be to correct this ongoing problem.

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This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays.

Throwing out Qualified Immunity would help. Returning to being actual Peace Officers would help a lot more. Having the officers being personally civilly liable in addition to the township or municipality would also help.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Then make the thread about that and not individual instances that may or may not be a problem depending on the truth of what happened. IMO, just concentrate on what the thread is really about leave out the random incidents. Clearly, you're getting at something else. Just go for that argument. YMMV.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

We need less frivolous lawsuits not more. Allowing Joe Leo to be sued will only create more lawsuits without some kind if loser pay reform.

We are currently having problems with our local NAACP president and the police. I can't imagine how much worse the situation would be if he could threaten to sue cops directly. Likely no one would stand up to his BS

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

If cops could be sued directly we wouldn't have any cops.

I think that's the point.

We need more Andy Griffith and Less Barney.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Yes, if cops could be sued directly, we would have no more cops. Let's face it, that statement is more damning of the police than it is of the lawsuit-happy civilians.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

Not really true. It's damning of human beings. Whether the power given to a police officer corrupts, or merely draws in the already corrupt, the fact is, without the badge, they could instead be one of those "lawsuit-happy civilians." As King Solomon supposedly once stated, "Man rules over man only to his injury." The problem isn't with those in the police, or those in government, or those with power. The problem is inherent to giving human beings power over their fellows.

As a species, we are natural tyrants.

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But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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I wouldn't say that. Police wouldn't be police anymore because of the chance that they would be convicted when they did nothing wrong because people are **** morons and would convict thinking the more police that get convicted increases their chances of winning a bogus lawsuit against the police.

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"I love this **** team right here."
-Jonathan Quick

There is just going to be more and more of these incidents as time goes on. People aren't taught the same values that this system was assuming the cadets held. So we will have more spoiled entitlement babies slipping into these authority positions. Lacking the internal morality to police themselves and freed from the imposed morality of being under another authority, I think we will see incidents of this rise.

In this incident hindsight is always 20/20. In the moment... well lawyers get years to debate a decision that an officer makes in that fraction of a second.

I don't think cops are bad, I just think that they are pulling from an increasingly shallow well of good candidates, and end up hiring the best out of who applied. So if the entire class is ego centric authoritarian knuckle staggers, and my township hires the top of that class, well we still got a crap cop, just the least crap out of the bunch.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

In my day, we had to walk through three miles, in the snow uphill (both ways!) ...


This is bullshit. It's not getting worse. It's been like this for all of human history. Society is disintegrating, values are not deteriorating. The world is not going to ****...it has always been ****.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Your own posted experiences contradict this view. You're raising your kids with one set of values, your neighbors are not. When the two clash, you've regaled us with the result. Now put your neighbors and their difference in beliefs in a position of power over you. Guess the result.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

I'm not entirely sure what this is referring to...I've got no issues with my neighbors.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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With an increase in population though, there's more of it.

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In time, this too shall pass.

Imagine if every student that got you tutored/taught that got a B- in class threatened to sue you. What if some of them actually went through with it. You'd find yourself constantly in court defending every decision you made and technique you used. Lets not even get into what happens if one of them gets a sympathetic jury that dislikes math tutors. Would it affect your desire in your profession? Maybe not the first time, but I think It'd get old awful fast. I know it would applied to my situation.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

I know i'm passionate about this, but I've seen the worst misplacement of cop hate in my city. I have a friend, a retired PD officer. When he was on duty, he saw his partner shot in the head and die right in front of him. He was next, and exchanged fire with this woman getting shot himself and taking the life with the woman. Despite these very obvious in the right circumstances many in the community still consider my friend a racist, power hungry pig and still threaten that he's gonna get what's coming to him someday. I can't imagine why it would be a good thing for someone whose gone through all of that to endure a personal lawsuit on top of it.

I could also get into the Tareka Wilson/Joe Chavalia debacle if you're interested (maybe some of you folks have heard of it), but the story is largely the same. Wilson wasn't armed, but Chavalia didn't know that.

Taly's right that there is "nothing new under the sun" when it comes to authoritative abuse, lack of respect for authority. However I'm concerned that we're raising a generation that largely buys into this "all cops are pigs" BS, acts appropriately and feeds the cycle.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"