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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:26 am 
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So unlike many others, I really didn't get all up in arms about the cost increase that they were introducing. It was a little annoying, but still a great value.

Now, however, they are completely screwing the pooch.

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Dear Aizle,

I messed up. I owe you an explanation.

It is clear from the feedback over the past two months that many members felt we lacked respect and humility in the way we announced the separation of DVD and streaming and the price changes. That was certainly not our intent, and I offer my sincere apology. Let me explain what we are doing.

For the past five years, my greatest fear at Netflix has been that we wouldn't make the leap from success in DVDs to success in streaming. Most companies that are great at something – like AOL dialup or Borders bookstores – do not become great at new things people want (streaming for us). So we moved quickly into streaming, but I should have personally given you a full explanation of why we are splitting the services and thereby increasing prices. It wouldn’t have changed the price increase, but it would have been the right thing to do.

So here is what we are doing and why.

Many members love our DVD service, as I do, because nearly every movie ever made is published on DVD. DVD is a great option for those who want the huge and comprehensive selection of movies.

I also love our streaming service because it is integrated into my TV, and I can watch anytime I want. The benefits of our streaming service are really quite different from the benefits of DVD by mail. We need to focus on rapid improvement as streaming technology and the market evolves, without maintaining compatibility with our DVD by mail service.

So we realized that streaming and DVD by mail are really becoming two different businesses, with very different cost structures, that need to be marketed differently, and we need to let each grow and operate independently.

It’s hard to write this after over 10 years of mailing DVDs with pride, but we think it is necessary: In a few weeks, we will rename our DVD by mail service to “Qwikster”. We chose the name Qwikster because it refers to quick delivery. We will keep the name “Netflix” for streaming.

Qwikster will be the same website and DVD service that everyone is used to. It is just a new name, and DVD members will go to qwikster.com to access their DVD queues and choose movies. One improvement we will make at launch is to add a video games upgrade option, similar to our upgrade option for Blu-ray, for those who want to rent Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 games. Members have been asking for video games for many years, but now that DVD by mail has its own team, we are finally getting it done. Other improvements will follow. A negative of the renaming and separation is that the Qwikster.com and Netflix.com websites will not be integrated.

There are no pricing changes (we’re done with that!). If you subscribe to both services you will have two entries on your credit card statement, one for Qwikster and one for Netflix. The total will be the same as your current charges. We will let you know in a few weeks when the Qwikster.com website is up and ready.

For me the Netflix red envelope has always been a source of joy. The new envelope is still that lovely red, but now it will have a Qwikster logo. I know that logo will grow on me over time, but still, it is hard. I imagine it will be similar for many of you.

I want to acknowledge and thank you for sticking with us, and to apologize again to those members, both current and former, who felt we treated them thoughtlessly.

Both the Qwikster and Netflix teams will work hard to regain your trust. We know it will not be overnight. Actions speak louder than words. But words help people to understand actions.

Respectfully yours,

-Reed Hastings, Co-Founder and CEO, Netflix

p.s. I have a slightly longer explanation along with a video posted on our blog, where you can also post comments.


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The co-founder and CEO of Netflix issued an apology of sorts for the way they handled the changes to pricing structure (he's obviously sorry for the bad press).

At the same time, announced that they are splitting the DVD Rental business off under a new name called Qwikster, along with DVD rental, they are also adding a game rental option (to go along with blu-ray).

The streaming business will continue under the netflix moniker.

Here is an article (one of many):
http://www.ajc.com/business/netflix-sep ... 84071.html


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:41 am 
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I love Netflix, I watched a bunch of shows last night on my computer. Also this belongs in Technology.

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The mind boggles at how wholly misjudged this move is. Wow.


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This is reminiscent of Apple ditching the floppy. I think it's a probably a good move. Although they will lose some subscribers, it's better than being chained down to obsolete models. The big question is whether they can get more content available online before Amazon beats them to it. Personally, from the very start I only subscribed to Netflix for the streaming. The only time I use optical media is when I want to play with Linux.


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I haven't read enough on it to know what the consensus is, but I'm of the general opinion that it makes good business sense to separate the two.


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I agree Aizle. How utterly retarded.

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How is it retarded? DVDs and Blu-rays are a sinking ship. Sure they could get some quick bucks off them in the next three or four years, but they are dying. Having their business, brand, and website intimately tied to them is a poor plan for the future, although it works for now.


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I think the way they've handled it is quite silly, as is the fact that they're separating the names.

I think the underlying premise that separating streaming and DVD delivery into two separate entities is a good idea- they really do have different markets, negotiations, contracts, etc.

Personally, I don't have a working DVD player in my house. Streaming is where it's at for me. I'd prefer to see the money that I pay Netflix go directly to getting more/better streaming content. I have friends that have no internet connection at home, and are huge fans of the DVD only service, as well as people who like both.

They're different services with different targets, it makes since to separate them so they can each grow as needed.

Also, posts merged and moved to Tech.

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I don't understand the fuss.

If you're still using physical media, stop now. There's rarely a good reason to do so.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:43 am 
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Talya wrote:
I don't understand the fuss.

If you're still using physical media, stop now. There's rarely a good reason to do so.


There's a vast amount of content out there that can't be viewed legally on any format other than physical media.


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Darkroland wrote:
Talya wrote:
I don't understand the fuss.

If you're still using physical media, stop now. There's rarely a good reason to do so.


There's a vast amount of content out there that can't be viewed legally on any format other than physical media.


So? This isn't a technological problem, it's just a bunch of executives between organizations squabbling. They at any moment could change things with some conferences and phone calls.


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Your problem is giving a **** about that term "legally."

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Qwickster (the company name) sounds a lot like Quixtar, aka Amway Online.

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Enhanced piracy technology from websites, faster connections, privacy, and apps, and increased prevalence will force movie studios to make good deals to Netflix and Amazon for low-cost streaming.


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I don't see what the big deal is.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:57 am 
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The market always wins. People want their damn movies, and streaming is the only way it will be. Everything will quickly fall into place and align, one way or another.


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Lenas wrote:
I don't see what the big deal is.

Yea, I don't get all the angst...


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Talya wrote:
I don't understand the fuss.

If you're still using physical media, stop now. There's rarely a good reason to do so.


This is wrong in 2 very crucial areas.

1. Picture quality. While you can get a pretty decent picture streaming (provided you have a solid internet connection) it still isn't the same level of quality as a Blu-Ray disk playing natively. Why the **** would I spend $15k on a home audio system to be stuck with a lesser quality image.

2. Catalogue. As has already been stated, there is a HUGE gap in what is available streaming vs DVD/Blu-Ray. Until that is completely gone, I need to have a DVD/Blu-Ray option. And while I can appreciate the "pirate" option, frankly it's not something that I'm willing to entertain, as it's a hassle and has legal implications.

But the biggest thing for me here, is that from my perspective as a customer, this email causes me to doubt the skill and leadership of their CEO. As Farsky pointed out, it's mind boggling how misguided this decision is and it shows an enormous lack of understanding of the market and more specifically their customers. And this is the second such lapse in several months.

In the end, the biggest hassle is that now it's harder for me to manage my queues, so it's not the end of the world, but it's just completely dumb and for no good reason that I can think of.


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Lex Luthor wrote:
The market always wins. People want their damn movies, and streaming is the only way it will be. Everything will quickly fall into place and align, one way or another.


The RIAA is still fighting digital music, now, 20 years later. My fear is that all the greedy studios will want their own streaming service "Hey, if we start a service, we keep ALL THE PROFITS", resulting in the market fragmenting beyond hope, Netflix and other competing streaming services dying, and the consumers that want legitimate streaming being the ones to get ****.


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I also don't get the fuss. Digital distribution seems to be the way forward.


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I always select the movie package that includes blu-ray, DVD and electronic download if it's available because I want all the options.

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Darkroland wrote:
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The market always wins. People want their damn movies, and streaming is the only way it will be. Everything will quickly fall into place and align, one way or another.


The RIAA is still fighting digital music, now, 20 years later. My fear is that all the greedy studios will want their own streaming service "Hey, if we start a service, we keep ALL THE PROFITS", resulting in the market fragmenting beyond hope, Netflix and other competing streaming services dying, and the consumers that want legitimate streaming being the ones to get ****.


The market will decide what streaming is worth to them, not the studios. As always, when the cost exceeds the risk and/or inconvenience (which is rather low, in both cases) of simply pirating the material, the studios will lose potential profit until they readjust their expectations. $7.99 a month for unlimited streaming? That's reasonable. People will do that...ONCE. If you need several different accounts with different providers all charging $7.99 a month? Hell no. Piracy will be the way it goes.

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Uinan wrote:
I also don't get the fuss. Digital distribution seems to be the way forward.


I completely agree. At the point that I can stream Blu-Ray quality video of every movie at a reasonable price point, I will be all over it. The issue is that we aren't there yet. Netflix has the cart before the horse.


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I could care less about 'blu-ray' quality any more.

There are a few exceptions for particular movies, but for what I'm paying for streaming, whether it be from Amazon or Netflix, I can live with the quality that is being presented.


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