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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:58 am 
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WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration has met many of the border security benchmarks Congress set in 2007 as a prerequisite to immigration reform and now it's time to change the law, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Friday.


In a shocking turn of events, the Obama administration locks down the border with no fanfare - in direct contrast to every other initiative undertaken.

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Illegal immigration has also fallen sharply because of better enforcement and the economy.


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/facepalm

Good grief is she stupid.

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You know, if this guy in the Whitehouse is so much smarter than the rest of us, why are all of his functionaries retarded?

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I wouldn't even accept free head from her after a fifth of Patron. I'm afraid my dick would get dumber. And God knows it doesn't need to be any dumber.

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The Arizona state budget almost doubled in her one and a half terms at the helm. On top of that, she pilfered the state's rainy day fund in years of plenty and left it completely empty for the years it was needed (now). Her biggest achievement was all-day kindergarten which is going away anyway because we can't afford it. She was going to fix the state CPS "for the children" and she even made that worse. She only mobilized the National Guard on the border so she could say "me too!" after the governor in New Mexico (Richardson?) did it.

She is completely inept at managing anything. On top of that, somebody beat her really hard with the ugly stick.

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I wonder what the other governors think. She's not the only one.

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Rafael wrote:
I wouldn't even accept free head from her after a fifth of Patron. I'm afraid my dick would get dumber. And God knows it doesn't need to be any dumber.


There's the curve of attractiveness that increases with drunkenness and the curve of performance that briefly increases then decreases with drunkenness.

What you're describing is when those curves for a particular person never intersect.

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God how pathetic that is. After far too many traitors on both sides of the aisle willingly sold out our national sovereignty, it's now Obama and the democrats in power who wish to place their own political power above everything else - that is increasing their own voter base, and trying to appear as 'compassionate and fair' and not racists by allowing millions of human beings who have willingly chosen to break the laws of another nation with their only pathetic defense being accusing that nation of being racist, which actually works because unfortunately said nation has become far too cowardly and irrational, i.e. politically correct, to even understand the concept of national sovereignty.

Look, from our perspective many of us would probably want to see China's society changed to a more democratic and capitalistic system, but we have no say, and we have no right, to force such change. If millions of Americans could somehow flood into China illegally, breaking their laws, showing no respect for their culture, all under the auspices of 'we need work to survive and to support our family so you must let us in', as plausible on a basic human level as that does seem, and I can empathize with it, it's simply impractical and will eventually if taken too far lower the standard of living for all and more importantly degrade the culture of that society (and no it has nothing to do with race) It doesn't really matter whether the illegal immigration comes from Mexico or Poland - the result will inevitably be the same. Maybe the result will be reached quicker as the disparity between the two cultures is greater, but that has nothing to do with some silly bias against an ethnicity or religion or whatever other categorization some may still cling to, or whatever weak defense some may still give to defend the illegal behavior of others.

No sovereign nation should nor can allow unlimited unchecked illegal immigration from any other nation if it truly wishes to retain its shape and substance. It's physics really. Even though I may value this nation's ideals above China's, I would never be so arrogant as to support the massive illegal invasion and subsequent inevitable cultural change of China by millions of lawbreaking American citizens, even though the end result may better fit my specific ideology.

And if the argument is necessity, that these people are desperate and need to support their families, that they're doing exactly what we or anyone would do in a similar situation...you know what? You're right. I probably would too. But I would fully expect and have no defense against that nation that would kick my *** out of their country while telling me "we can't support all of you, we have our own problems!". And I'm sure many nations could actually absorb that influx for awhile....for awhile...but not indefinitely. And now's a great time to debate that of course, with over 10% unemployment, with now more laborers in need of jobs than there are jobs. It's all well and good when businesses are prospering and hurting for cheap labor, but now the labor can't even be cheap enough. We've hit bottom in that regard. Despite what many say, everything really is a zero-sum game at any given moment, which is the only real measure of things. The pie is always of a finite size, and there's only so much to go around. The U.S. cannot support the hundreds of millions of humans who I'm sure would love to immigrate here. This isn't Eden. There aren't enough resources.


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I'm 100% for stopping illegal immigration as soon as someone comes up with an effective solution that doesn't involve shooting them at the border.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:48 am 
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I have been giving this a bit of thought lately as I know "KILL THEM" is not always a valid solution.

Giving them a chance to apply for a Visa as they cross the border. If they fill out the Visa, you give them a paid job in the border towns while their applications are processed.

Part of their immigration process will consist of learning US history and English (unless they are from an English speaking country). Portion of their wages are deducted to provide low cost housing to the immigrant candidates, as well as locating wives and children and offering to include them in the immigration process. Children are forced to learn in a school environment; setting a base for education, and spouses also work for a living, while learning the culture and language.

then, since we are trying to help the immigrants who want to be here; we show no mercy and the now illegal immigrants a nice tall glass of Jonestown flavored Kool Aid as they cross the border?

It is not shooting them....

And since it is making an active effort to try and integrate the people who want to be here in a productive fashion... I do not see how it could be construed as a racist plan either.

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