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The only ways to avoid SOPA in the US are on the user's end, either by getting an off-shore ISP (satellite?) or by avoiding domain names entirely and using IP's. Like going to http://69.63.189.16/ instead of http://facebook.com


You don't need an offshore ISP, just offshore alternate DNS.

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Don't worry -- once they pass PIPA or SOPA, and you start using your pirate DNS, then they'll outlaw that, too.

In fact, they could easily pass law to dictate that your ISP make such IPs "facilitating the access of blacklisted sites" (and the IPs of the blacklisted sites themselves) unrouteable.

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Okay, I misspoke, but the rest of my point stands.


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Don't worry -- once they pass PIPA or SOPA, and you start using your pirate DNS, then they'll outlaw that, too.

In fact, they could easily pass law to dictate that your ISP make such IPs "facilitating the access of blacklisted sites" (and the IPs of the blacklisted sites themselves) unrouteable.


And there go the VPN services that give you foreign IPs...

Suddenly, you no longer have one Internet. You have the Internet, and you have Pay-per-byte AmericaNet.

You really see where this slope leads, don't you? It isn't about piracy, it's about controlling the flow of information. An informed populace is harder to control. If SOPA/PIPA passes, President Kim Jong-Obama would be presiding over the death of freedom in America. Oh, he's not really killing it, it's been dying a long time. He's just removing it from life support.

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Talya wrote:
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Don't worry -- once they pass PIPA or SOPA, and you start using your pirate DNS, then they'll outlaw that, too.

In fact, they could easily pass law to dictate that your ISP make such IPs "facilitating the access of blacklisted sites" (and the IPs of the blacklisted sites themselves) unrouteable.


And there go the VPN services that give you foreign IPs...

Because then, we now have cause to blacklist those VPN services, too.

This is exactly why people are (rightly) saying that pursuing this avenue of "enforcement" will open the road to breaking the internet.

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I'm just waiting for the backers to throw out the nuclear option that will guarantee passage: "Foreign-based sites contain child pornography. Are you going to be a child porn-loving scumbag who opposes this bill?"


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Not directly related to SOPA/PIPA, but talking about internet censorship.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201112 ... ails.shtml

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I'm just waiting for the backers to throw out the nuclear option that will guarantee passage: "Foreign-based sites contain child pornography. Are you going to be a child porn-loving scumbag who opposes this bill?"


Child pornography is already illegal. We currently prosecute everyone that we catch with that content to the fullest extent of the law and make sure to absolutely destroy their lives for looking at it.

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Pirates support terrorism...probably. Which means you can now be prosecuted under FISA. Neat!

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Today was nuts, right?

Google launched a petition. Wikipedia voted to shut itself off. Senators' websites went down just from the sheer surge of voters trying to write them. NYC and SF geeks had protests that packed city blocks.

You made history today: nothing like this has ever happened before. Tech companies and users teamed up. Tens of millions of people who make the internet what it is joined together to defend their freedoms. The free network defended itself. Whatever you call it, the bottom line is clear: from today forward, it will be much harder to mess up the internet.

The really crazy part? We might even win.

Approaching Monday's crucial Senate vote there are now 35 Senators publicly opposing PIPA. Last week there were 5. And it just takes just 41 solid "no" votes to permanently stall PIPA (and SOPA) in the Senate. What seemed like miles away a few weeks ago is now within reach.

But don't trust predictions. The forces behind SOPA & PIPA (mostly movie companies) can make small changes to these bills until they know they have the votes to pass. Members of Congress know SOPA & PIPA are unpopular, but they don't understand why--so they're easily duped by superficial changes. The Senate returns next week, and the next few days are critical. Here are two things to think about:

1. Plan on calling your Senator every day next week. Pick up the phone each morning and call your Senators' offices, until they vote "no" on cloture. If your site participated today, consider running a "Call the Senate" link all next week.

2. Tomorrow, drop in at your Senators' district offices. We don't have a cool map widget to show you the offices nearest you (we're too exhausted! any takers?). So do it the old fashioned way: use Google, or the phonebook to find the address, and just walk in, say you oppose PIPA, and urge the Senator to vote "no" on cloture. These drop-in visits make our spectacular online protests more tangible and credible.

That's it for now. Be proud and stay on it!

--Holmes, Tiffiniy, and the whole Fight for the Future team.

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P.S. Huge credit goes to participants in the 11/16 American Censorship Day protest: Mozilla, 4chan, BoingBoing, Tumblr, TGWTG, and thousands of others. That's what got this ball rolling! Reddit, both the community and the team behind it, you're amazing. And of course, thanks to the Wikimedians whose patient and inexorable pursuit of the right answer brought them to take world-changing action. Thanks to David S, David K, Cory D, and E Stark for bold action at critical times.

P.P.S. If you haven't already, show this video to as many people as you can. It works! http://fightforthefuture.org/pipa/

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That article is retarded. Google removing a site feed from a news aggregator is nothing even close to being similar to what SOPA/PIPA would enable. It's understandable that infowars would be upset at Google, but claiming SOPA-like censorship is sensationalist bullshit.


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Alex Jones (Proprietor of Infowars) is a crazy.

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That article is retarded. Google removing a site feed from a news aggregator is nothing even close to being similar to what SOPA/PIPA would enable. It's understandable that infowars would be upset at Google, but claiming SOPA-like censorship is sensationalist bullshit.

Google is also privately owned.

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Wow... the level of butthurt in that guy is amazing.

Also... my god... the comments. I... I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

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Google is also privately owned.


Companies don't lose privately-owned status once they start selling stocks? Google's IPO was in 2004.


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So, doesn't this show that the 'Government' already has all the power it needs to shut down illegal file sharing sites?

Feds shut down file-sharing site one day after Web protest

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SOPA and PIPA aren't about giving the Fed the power to shut down sites. They're about giving the content creators the ability to shut down sites. FOX, the MPAA, etc.

I won't link to WWTDD from here cause it can be NSFW, but I thought the latest post summed things up nicely:
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Giving us a glimpse as to what life will be like once SOPA and PIPA get passed, the federal government shut down megaupload.com today and charged 7 people connected to it with running an international criminal enterprise. In response, Anonymous shut down the websites for the Department of Justice, the MPAA, and the RIAA.

At issue of course is SOPA and PIPA, which will give companies and the government the ability to shut down websites that are infringing on copyright. One of the many problems with this is that these companies will simply lie about what is or isn’t infringement if they don’t like what is being published.

Here are two emails (one and two) from Fox saying I was infringing on their intellectual property for publishing pictures of Megan Fox and Anna Faris skinny dipping while filming ‘Jennifers Body’ and ‘What’s Your Number’. Megan Fox was at a lake in Vancouver. Faris was in Boston harbor. These were pictures of public figures in a public place, taken by a third party. You can’t do something in public and claim it’s private. Fox didn’t own these pictures, but they said they did simply because they didn’t want them to get out.

Under SOPA, they could shut a website down, simply because they didn’t like what it was publishing. Having Megan Fox take her clothes off doesn’t constitute “intellectual property”. I assure you I thought of that long before ‘Jennifers Body’, and I have several hundred photshops to prove it.

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Google is also privately owned.


Companies don't lose privately-owned status once they start selling stocks? Google's IPO was in 2004.

Private, meaning not owned by the government. Both the government and these companies have incentives to do things that are not in our best interest and more in their own.

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