The Glade 4.0

Aizle:

Or just dispose of the non-recyclable commodity device and get a new one. You guys are worrying entirely too much about what he did to the laptop and not enough about anything important here.

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Congratulations. Tommy Jordan can unload 8 hollow point rounds into the laptop with about 15-20 seconds of time total.

What difference does it make to you how he handled it.

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This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays.

Apparently you don't actually read my posts, try looking at the first one.

I did, but there's really no reason for you to point out the obvious when TheRiov is attempting to make a non-argument because he doesn't like what the guy did.

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Good luck with that. Generally I use a Department of Defense standard wipe of a hard drive. If you know of a data recovery company that will claim they can get data off, I'd love to hear it. It would have come in handy a few times.

Actually I was pointing out the flaw in DiamondEye's statement. Not attempting to make a general statement about what the father did.

Funny, because DOD policy and Federal Law require complete physical destruction for all HDDs attached to computers that contain or process HIPPA sensitive information and other such lovely privacy standards. There's no "wiping" the HDD. You destroy it.

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Again, If you can find a company that claims it can recover data after a full multi-pass random/zero/one overwrite of a drive, please let me know.

OH GOD! PLEASE STOP THE VIOLENCE!

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

http://thestarman.pcministry.com/asm/5220/index.html
Click the link, too. It's useful information.

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I can verify this. They do get destroyed. Right after they've been passed through a powerful electromagnetic field.

They generally do this on the same days as destroying paper documents. Which are shreddded and then burned.

They call these days "Burn Days."

But they also scrub their hds before use, and after continued use. Which is what TheRiov might be thinking about.

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Les Zombis et les Loups-Garous!

Here's our process, as mandated by State law and in compliance of federal regulations:

1. Format the HDD.

2. Low Level Format the HDD.

3. Degauss the HDD.

4. Drill the HDD in 8 different places.

5. Shred the HDD.

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And yet I've not found a single instance where someone has claimed to been able to recover data from a modern hard drive even after 2 passes. If the gov't has such a method, they're keeping it hush hush.

And aren't you, Khross, the one who insists that the Gov't is wasteful? Surely our gov't wouldn't require standards that were far above and beyond what was considered....overkill would they?


http://www.anti-forensics.com/disk-wipi ... -is-enough
http://www.anti-forensics.com/disk-wipi ... creenshots

Yeah, I have to go with TheRiov on this (the hard-drive thing). If you properly wipe a hard drive (not degaussing it...that will destroy the hard-drive) than it would be virtually impossible to recover any data. Not totally impossible, as it could be that it could be recovered, but it would be extremely difficult, and extremely expensive. So maybe not good enough for a hard drive with top secret stuff on it, but for a 15 year old's laptop? Yeah, it'll do.

But he can do with his laptop what he wants.

I find it hard to believe you can recover any usable data from a DoD wipe.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

That would not pass the standards to purge a laptop of classified information before connecting it to an unclassified network, which is the minimum I would accept for personal information.

Regardless, it doesn't have the same impact, and fretting over the fate of a single laptop is silly. You just don't like seeing people shoot things.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

You're kidding, right?

The guy shot his daughter's laptop. That doesn't make him a horrid ogre who is unfit to raise children, and it doesn't even disqualify him from being, on the whole, a good father.

It also doesn't make him superdad.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

No. I can't imagine any other reason to be making a big deal over the loss of one laptop to the overall charitable effort in this country.

It's perfectly obvious from the fact that you called it "Resorting to violence". What if he'd disassembled it with a screwdriver? Would that be violent? How about dropping it off a cliff? This nonsense about donating the laptop is just a pretense to object to shooting it.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

You can not like guns, not like waste, and be in favour of re/free cycling all at once.

I've thought about it. I would have used a wood chipper instead.

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Raell Kromwell

Your imagination is limited then. And your definition of 'making a big deal over' is amusing to say the least. It was a single clause in a single sentence and then you decided to demonstrate that you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to wiping hard drives.

I'd object to him bashing it with a baseball bat, hacking at it with a sword, etc as well.

I know you're a bit desensitized to violence, but much of the rest of the world is not. I don't believe in modeling this behavior for children. Mercifully the girl here is 15, and not 10 or 12.

And I don't have a 'problem with guns' and while I am not currently a gun owner, and I don't have the hard-on for them that some people here have, I've spent some time on a firing range myself. Much of my family are hunters. (though I do realize that in some people's definition, anyone who thinks that we shouldn't sell VX gas on every street corner must have a problem with private ownership of weapons)

Aaaaaaaand... Off to Hellfire we go.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I don't think this man did anything "wrong" (though it's certainly not how I believe it should have been handled). I also don't think he did anything particularly laudable, and seemed to be showing his *** as much as his daughter was in her "offensive" post. *shrug*

Interestingly, however, you don't illuminate me as to what this other reason might be. Evidently, it does not exist; you wish to simply imply that it does by this statement.



A big deal relative to the issue at hand.



I did no such thing. I stated that it fails the standard for connecting a previously classified system to an unclassified one. I do know what that standard is; I don't need to know what the specifics of why it was implemented are. I see no reason to think that it was anything other than what was necessary to safeguard classified data.



What about the screwdriver?



There is no violence occuring here, and really, that lack of "desensitization" is why we see so much overreaction to violence (and even to events like this that include no violence.)



That's nice. I don't see any reason not to. Obviously a small child may not understand the reason Daddy shot the computer, but a 15 year old is more than capable of it; in fact even calling it "modelling the behavior" is pushing it.



I don't know of anyone here with a hardon for guns.. well, maybe one person. As to the VX gas, I can't really help you.

That said, you still have not provided any reason to find the shooting even remotely objectionable. You insist on calling it "violence" but it's simply the rendering of a mechanical object inoperable. Granted, in a rather messy way, but so what?

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."