The Glade 4.0

Oh and I thought it was because they wanted to say a white person shot a black one, so they had to "de-hispanic" the shooter. Guess it is a preexisting classification in our raced obsessed post racial America.

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

So it looks to me like Zimmerman was a paranoid authoritarian. Everything is suspicious, and everyone is a criminal.

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I don't see where you get "authoritarian" out of anything he did at all. "Paranoid" covers it nicely.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I knew Hispanics in Texas whiter than me. One was married to an Irish lady for a time, and they had middle brown daughter.

In other news, black panther bounty hits one million, Washington and Jackson still silent.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... on-twitter Spike Lee kept tweeting what he thought was the guys address, oops just his parents.

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

Apparently assault and battery isn't a crime anymore.

I'm finding it *really* hard to give more than about half a **** about this.

So a dude followed a "suspicious" kid in a not so good area, calls the cops, says some stuff, and the kid attacks him. Then dude shoots the kid for attacking him?

News flash: Don't **** assault people, and you probably won't get **** shot!

Jesus, how hard would it have been for this Trayvon kid to just be polite and whatnot to dude in the SUV.

"Hey, kid, where're ya goin?"
"Over my friend's house down the way, not that its any of your business"
"No worries, just neighborhood watch and all. You have a good day."
"You too man, good lookin out for your neighbors."

I mean... is that so hard to do?

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Holy shitsnacks!

Well yeah. How does he keep it real if he's being civil?

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Legally speaking neither one of them is required to be civil. Both are required not to do harm to each other. So the question isn't about character or previous actions, it's about who escalted the situation unnecessarily. If Martin had Zimmerman on the ground and was repeatedly pounding him despite crys for mercy, it was probably Martin.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Figure this is probably exactly how it went down. I can see fault in Zimmerman possibly being overzealous in his neighborhood watch duties, possibly profiling Trayvon. I can see equal fault in Trayvon likely confrontational response which likely led to Zimmerman having to defend himself with deadly force.

This isn't a racial issue, but unfortunately the majority of the population who is following this story now sees it as such. A sad situation that people are so quick to lap up the media's spin on the story. Look at the facts and leave racism out of it.




Nice.

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This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays.

Regardless of intentions, Zimmerman should never have gotten out of his vehicle or confronted the kid. Personally I feel if it was racially motivated he would've just leaned over and locked the passenger door in his pick-up like a normal person.

^LOL

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Seeing a kid and calling it in as suspicious is one thing, and not a big deal regardless of if you feel it's racially motivated or not. Getting out of the car and chasing him is another level of aggression. If he then continued to further stalk the kid, he's ratcheting it up even further. This is an armed man chasing an unarmed 17 year old who so far as we know was doing nothing wrong.

It really is what happens next though that determines who was at fault or justified. We dont know the answer to that yet.

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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... -Zimmerman

"arrested for his own safety", wonderful terminology.

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

I have noticed that CNN has changed it's representative pictures of both Martin and Zimmerman on the page for the news article.

Zimmerman's looks less like a mugshot and moreso like an office picture.

Martin's looks less like a young, innocent, up-and-coming, football player and moreso like a typical young, black, high school student.

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This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays.

Getting out of your car and going up to someone isn't aggression. "Chasing" them might be, but there's no indication Martin was doing anything more to get away than walking fast. If you want to go up and talk to a stranger on the street, you're within your rights to do so, even if you're armed and even if the stranger happens to be 17.

Zimmerman didn't know Martin was 17 and he didn't know if Martin was doing anything wrong or not, and he certainly isn't under any obligation to establish probable cause or even reasonable suspicion just to go up and talk to another person on the street, regardless of his reasons or if he was armed.

Now, if he was brandishing, displaying, or pointing his weapon in the process, then that'd be an altogether different story, but there's no indication he did that. In fact, there's no indication Martin was ever aware that Zimmerman was armed prior to when he was shot.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Some guy is chasing me around my neighborhood, I'm going to at a minimum contemplate some violence as self defense. We don't know how it went down.

If some stranger, in my neighborhood, starts accosting me and demanding to know who I am and why I am there, he's not going to get a polite response. If he threatens me or touches me, it's quite likely mild violence will ensue. He very well may have gotten violent with Martin, but bit off more than he could chew. Martin may have been defending himself. If I'm defending myself against a guy, and he pulls a gun, slamming his head into the ground is a very reasonable reaction.

I'm sure that version will be put forth on the inevitable prosecution. Or persecution, depending on the viewpoint.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

As to the police investigation, it seems the media (and the left-wing netizens of certain websites) are not being entirely truthful about the police handling of the matter either. Initially, I was under the impression that the police had sent a single officer to the scene who'd interviewed Zimmerman, then, unable to establish probable cause, had simply closed the case on the spot and had the body carted away without so much as an autopsy.

The police report, or rather, the main portion of it (the actual witness statements do not seem to have been released, understandably) indicates this is not the case. Evidently at least 2 Sergeants came to the scene, assisted the initial officer with CPR, summoned paramedics, summoned a Lieutenant, who called Major Crimes (part of their detective bureau). On top of that there were at least 4 uniformed regular officers there counting the initial one, Zimmerman was evidently transported voluntarily to the police station, and was interviewed at the station by an Investigator (detective, presumably). Furthermore, the report indicates Zimmerman's back was wet and had evidence of grass, and he was bleeding from the nose and the back of his head. On top of that, no less than 6 witnesses are included in the report.

I'm still not entirely pleased with the police investigation since it's not clear that Major Crimes has really done much of anything. However, the facts do not appear to be that the police "didn't do anything" at the scene at all. It seems that "didn't do anything" means that they didn't simply throw Zimmerman on the ground, cuff him, and cart him away for shooting a black teenager nor express enough outrage at his 'obvious' racism in the process.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

The media wasn't entirely truthful and unbiased? Say it ain't so, Joe!

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We do know that he was probably not being "chased"; his phone call to his girlfriend indicates he knew Zimmerman was following him. His girlfriend wanted him to run; he said "I'm going to walk fast". We also know he was not being followed around his own neighborhood; Zimmerman was following him in Zimmerman's own neighborhood.



No one said Martin needed to be polite. However, the fact is that he was not in his own neighborhood.

As to Zimmerman, no, we don't know how it went down. He may have gotten violent with Martin, Martin may have been defending himself, but as long as that's the case, Zimmerman should remain free. None of those things create probable cause, much less proof beyond a reasonable doubt. They make it reasonable to suspect Zimmerman provoked a physical altercation, but unless we can get beyond reasonable suspicion there's no cause for arrest.

Furthermore, even if Zimmerman provoked the altercation, if Martin got him down, then got in his mount and started hitting him in the face (as the police report indicates is likely due to Zimmerman's grass-covered back and bloody nose and head) then Martin already escalated the incident well beyond defending himself and into deadly force. When someone is in your mount, that's a life-or-death situation. They can start swinging at your head and it's very difficult for you to get them out of your mount unless you are a skilled ground fighter (as in, at least have basic instruction in ground fighting) or have a significant size and strength advantage and there's no indication Zimmerman was either; he looks like some overweight guy while Martin was young, and evidently fairly strong (football player). Zimmerman might still be on the hook for manslaughter if that's the case, but it makes it pretty much impossible that he's guilty of murder.

If someone chases you around a neighborhood, yours or not, and you want to be impolite, fine. If you feel threatened or are actually attacked, fine. That does not, however, allow you to beat them to death once you have them down.

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I know! Shameful, isn't it!?

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Which is why he needs to be tried. From what we know sounds like he may have a case for self defense but it also sounds like there is a lot of information we dont know yet that will come out in the investigation.

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That's not a reason to try someone. That's a reason to investigate. However, if the investigation can't turn up enough facts to establish probable cause, he should never get to trial.

Trials are not a substitute for investigation.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

This.

And was he being investigated before this attention?

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Well nevermind I found the answer, looks like he was:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-5 ... -shooting/

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