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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:07 pm 
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Way to go race pimps...

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Amazing, these idiots out there effecting their idea of vigilante justice while shouting the name of whom they are there to support...a victim of vigilantism.

Do these people even have brains?

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Do these people even have brains?

No. The brainpower of a human is inversely proportional to the square of the number of people the human is with.

This also explains government and bureaucracy.

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Ultimately, if Zimmerman is found not guilty of any significant crime, I'll probably call in sick to work the next day just to play it safe, since...you know...the human race still sucks.


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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
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Do these people even have brains?

No. The brainpower of a human is inversely proportional to the square of the number of people the human is with.

This also explains government and bureaucracy.


It's always curious to me that many conservatives use this kind of logic to support how they think goverments are bad, but somehow magically it doesn't apply to corporations, which are good.


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Well, since corporations as they currently exist as entities sanctioned, given rights, and presence by the government ...

Maybe you just never asked enough questions to figure out we started with a root cause analysis.

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Also, my intention was to include corporations with the word "bureaucracy."

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Aizle wrote:
Kaffis Mark V wrote:
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Do these people even have brains?

No. The brainpower of a human is inversely proportional to the square of the number of people the human is with.

This also explains government and bureaucracy.


It's always curious to me that many conservatives use this kind of logic to support how they think goverments are bad, but somehow magically it doesn't apply to corporations, which are good.


I doubt few would argue corporations are "good". They merely exist. Unlike government, large free market entities cannot coerce people through law, only through free market forces. Despite liberals' belief of the right to the fruits of another's labor, this is neither tragic nor does it require reconciliation.

Ironically, it is the people's choice to try and rectify said alleged injustice using government that results in governmental collusion with corporations wherein corporations are able to wield power beyond what they naturally have.

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Unlike government, large free market entities cannot coerce people through law, only through free market forces.


BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Ok, that's pure comedy gold right there.


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Well, since corporations as they currently exist as entities sanctioned, given rights, and presence by the government ...

Maybe you just never asked enough questions to figure out we started with a root cause analysis.


I'm well aware that most folks on these forums aren't in that camp. However, the larger body of "conservatives" hold up businesses as this shining light while denegrating the government as evil, in their current forms and without any call to make businesses smaller or limit their power.


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They hold up marketplaces as a shining light; not businesses. As for the call to make businesses smaller or limiting their power, that's an issue of regulation and information. Your propensity for regulation does not automatically infuse corporations or businesses with the traits you ascribe to them. The same is true for certain opinions of government around here ...

That said, I don't even care about government. That ship done sailed ...

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Fantastic read.

http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/th ... epage=true

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Khross wrote:
Your propensity for regulation does not automatically infuse corporations or businesses with the traits you ascribe to them.


Where did you get the idea that I think that regulations infuse traits? Frankly, if corporations or businesses had traits that were centered around being good stewards, we wouldn't need many of the regulations that are out there. The regulations are needed because the companies are incapable or unwilling to regulate themselves.


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Aizle wrote:
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Your propensity for regulation does not automatically infuse corporations or businesses with the traits you ascribe to them.
Where did you get the idea that I think that regulations infuse traits? Frankly, if corporations or businesses had traits that were centered around being good stewards, we wouldn't need many of the regulations that are out there. The regulations are needed because the companies are incapable or unwilling to regulate themselves.
Do you read English? I'd post the Sam Jackson quote, but this is about 5th or 6th time in the last two weeks you've taken the object of a preposition as the noun it modifies. This isn't an insult by the way; you've repeated the same set of relational operations in other arguments.

That said ...

You basically just said, you believe these companies have these traits and that they would not need regulation without those traits.

Well "traits" is a pretty broad category, but regulation doesn't validate need for regulation or existence of the "wrong doing" that caused the regulation in the first place. Materialism concerns itself predominantly with outcomes; social materialism in particular has a fascinating and problematic eros regarding bad-outcomes: bad-outcomes are always a) someone's fault and b) must be punished.

Your position on regulation, particularly as it relates to Federal policy, the commerce clause, and your moral construct, because I've certain read enough of your prose on this matter to know ...

Your position on regulation is almost wholly driven by that peculiar aspect of the materialist apparatus.

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Did you have a point in all that, other than a personal attack on my English skills or stating what you think my position on regulation is?


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I didn't realize that pointing out how you quite egregiously and obviously misread a statement was a personal attack. In fact, I pointed out you've been making that particular grammar mistake with pretty regular frequency. I simply brought it to your attention. Since, however, you feel no need to amend your response, I'll answer your new question.

1. Your position regarding regulation is flawed.

2. Your statement that the existence of regulation validates the need for regulation is ... well, quite simply a product of your operational conflation between legality and morality. Or, if that doesn't offend your 'liberal' sensibilities enough ....

Blame your education. I certainly do.

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Your understanding of my position is flawed.

I'd also like you to point out where you think I misread your statement. I'm not seeing it.


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My understanding of your position isn't flawed at all. You made this statement:
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Frankly, if corporations or businesses had traits that were centered around being good stewards, we wouldn't need many of the regulations that are out there. The regulations are needed because the companies are incapable or unwilling to regulate themselves.
I'm sorry. I did not realize you did not make this post. Forgive me for operating under the assumption you were cognizant of the things you type. Of course, since you apparently don't understand your own statements, I'm not going to ask you to distinguish between the word "propensity" as modified by the possessive, specific pronoun "your" and the prepositional clause "for regulation," and the word "regulation." It seems entirely too unreasonable that you may have to differentiate a noun phrase from a constituent word in that phrase, apparently.

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Aizle wrote:
Rafael wrote:
Unlike government, large free market entities cannot coerce people through law, only through free market forces.


BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Ok, that's pure comedy gold right there.


So corporations make law? Or do you believe government does not?

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Rafael wrote:
So corporations make law? Or do you believe government does not?
Haven't you been paying attention? Aizle is unaware he's made the statements in this thread that he's made in this thread.

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The irony of liberals is that they believe businesses and corporations make and enforce the law, but they want to use the law to control businesses and corporations.

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Rafael wrote:
So corporations make law?


With the state of lobbying in politics, I'm not entirely sure how one would answer this question.

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Neighbors are now saying they saw Zimmerman with "signs of injury" according to Reuters:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/16/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE83F19Y20120416

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(Reuters) - Neighbors of George Zimmerman say he had bandages on his nose and head the day after he shot dead Trayvon Martin, supporting statements by the neighborhood watch volunteer that he was beaten in a confrontation with the black Florida teenager.

The extent of Zimmerman's injuries could be crucial to his legal defense under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" self-defense law, which allows the use of deadly force when someone has the reasonable belief he could face death or great bodily harm.

Police said Zimmerman, who has been charged with second-degree murder in the racially charged case, was bleeding from the nose and the back of his head and was treated by medics before being taken to Sanford police station after the February 26 shooting.

But public doubts were later raised by the release of a grainy surveillance video from the police station in which no injuries were readily visible.

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Talya wrote:
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So corporations make law?


With the state of lobbying in politics, I'm not entirely sure how one would answer this question.


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That seems rather incongruous ...

Lobbying unfairly biases law in favor of the corporations who regulate themselves by buying lawmakers to regulate them because they won't self-regulate?

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