The Glade 4.0

I've not read the books so I have no idea what you are talking about. What is this chain you are speaking of?

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Raell Kromwell

I am pretty sure I know how Season 2 is ending, due to the title of a track on the soundtrack.



Oh, and Reek wasn't cast for season 2. Rumor is there have been casting calls for him for season 3 though.

Raell,

In the book Tyrion devises a massive chain to stretch across the harbor and lift up to trap Stannis' fleet in the wildfire killing zone.

Hummmm, I wonder where someone would find a massive and long enough chain to do that in such a short amount of time. I think it worked out pretty well just the way it was.

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Raell Kromwell

Well, he basically co-opted all the smiths in the city. Also, they knew the siege was coming one way or another.

In addition, they were catapaulting wildfire into the killing zone (and Tyrion was behind a training regimen to get the guards responsible accustomed to handling it with enough care), and letting the current sweep the wrecks downstream into the chain to make a wall of fire that all the ships ended up caught up in.

And yeah, Aegnor.

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"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

They will probably end S2 with Dany, same as season 1.

It won't end with Dany IMO. Really there are only three places it might end. With Bran, with Jon, or with Sam.

Oh, and the Reeds, Blackfish, Edmure, Stannis' wife and daughter, Olenna Queen of Thorns, Dondarion, Thoros, Tormund, Mance, Daario, and others are all being cast for season 3.

Bran and Sam don't do anything at the end of book 2. If they keep to what they should, it'll either be Dany or Jon.

Spoilers for the end of book 2,and the beginning of book 3.

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I'm really confused how one brings in several of these this late.

Maester Luwin was all set to just usurp the place of the Reeds. I'm glad they're going to make appearances, but Luwin's already started encroaching on Jojen's insight into Bran's dreams, and Winterfell is already occupied, so I'm kind of confused how and why they'll do so.

Stannis' family appeared to be basically written out -- we didn't hear a peep from/about them while he was ON DRAGONSTONE, so where are they coming from?

Thoros and Dondarrion -- way late to introduce them; they were given their orders by **** Ned. In fact, didn't we see Ned send *somebody* off to do Dondarrion's task? How has he not been cast? And introducing Thoros this late is a shame; it means we'll never see washed-up drunken Thoros.

I'm interested to see Tormund and Mance cast, though, as well as the Tullys.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Don't mind me... Just forgetting details, apparently :p

They can't really have Luwin take the Reeds place.

minor to moderate book 5 spoilers. Major book 2 spoilers.




Stannis' wife has not been written out, we've actually seen her (from a distance) in the first episode, and has been mentioned a few times (including in last Sunday's episode). Shireen hasn't been mentioned, but that is not that big of an issue IMO. The reason for his daughter not being talked about or seen much is built into the character. It is trivial to write her into season 3 and explain why she wasn't seen in season 2.



Yeah, Dondarrion was cast in season 1, but he was no more that a glorified extra with just a single line, and word is he is being recast. It is too bad that we missed the transformation of Thoros, but really he is not a major character, so it makes perfect sense to wait to cast him until the part of the story where he makes his greatest contributions.

Mirroring your spoilers, Aegnor:


As for Beric -- yeah, I just wish they'd cast the people they really wanted in the first place. I dislike recasting characters, *especially* when disparate time lapsed and/or actor death isn't a factor.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Yeah, I think there are difficulties with getting an actor to speak one line in season 1, then come back to play a bigger role in season 3-4.

Yeah. I've watched this many times now, and it never gets old.

Just wanted to comment and say I don't really have a problem with them introducing Robb's love interest now. In the books, he goes off, and comes back married with no real explanation of what happened other than the Florence Nightengale effect. It was like WTF, that doesn't sound like something Robb would do. At least this way, we can see how and why it happened, and also get to know the girl. This way, it will make certain upcomming events that much more powerfull since we'll have had time to get attached to the character.

I don't really like how they are rushing Jon's story, but we'll see how that plays out, I'm in agreement that the Fist will probably be the ending for the season. Danny will probably have already taken care of her business by that point, plus the happenings at the fist add more urgency about where the real danger is going to come from by the end of the series. I am a bit disappointed with some of the missing characters and character development, but hopefully they'll fix it in the end. Thats the problem with TV adaptations, espescially of a such an epic series, budgets and time constraints cause all kinds of issues.

My biggest concern is really over whether or not the book series will be finished in time to maintain the show.

This episode really showed the problem of not having Robb just come back married. Now, he's got his mother, who he does trust and respect, pointing out it's a terrible idea and that he's got other obligations.

When he just comes back married, it's much easier to write it up as Florence Nightengale and him not having anybody with better sense to remind him of his duty. When he does come back, the damage is done and things turn towards trying to make the best of it.

Now, he comes off as deliberately irresponsible, which I think is a serious net negative for the character.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

I am devastated by Jon's plotline. It ruined the episode for me. The only way it hasn't ruined the entire show for me is that I am rewriting the episode in my head.

Jon Snow would never NEVER in a billion years kill the Halfhand unless he gave him a direct and unequivocal order for Jon to kill him. Now Jon IS a turncloak and a traitor to the Night's Watch.

And I don't understand why they did it that way. All it would have taken is a two minute scene. Furtive whispers between Jon and the Halfhand while they are camped, with him ordering Jon to kill him and infiltrate the wildlings.

And I'm not even getting to why the hell the White Walker didn't kill Sam, or how the hell he's supposed to make it out of that in anything like a believable way.

I could have sworn an episode or two ago there was something said to Jon. Now I can't remember and honestly, I don't like it very much.

Ghost will save Sam...where else could he be?

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Raell Kromwell

There *was* a conversation between Qhorin and Jon, but his instructions weren't nearly as explicit as in the book. I don't remember it well, it was downplayed and glossed over so much. So, yeah...

Ditto on Sam.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Yeah, there was a brief comment right before that fake fight they had a couple episodes ago.

"They'll never trust me!" "They will if you do what needs to be done." "What's that?". *fake fight*

That's just from memory, but it was something like that. The thing is, it wasn't nearly explicit enough. In the show Jon killed him because he called Ned a traitor and his mom a whore, NOT because he was ordered to.

Qhorin tells Jon that one nights watchman inside of their ranks would be worth 1000 of their soldiers, says Jon must be the one. Jon says they will never trust him, Qhorin says they will if he is convincing. Then Qhorin starts yelling at him, etc. I thought it was still explained well enough in the show. Not as well as the book, but we can say that about the entire season, can't we?

No comments about the lame mage tower sequence and Dany pretty much pillaging Qarth?

I've given up lamenting all the made up bullshit they saddle Dany with in order to try to maintain interest there.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

The sad part is that she'd be more interesting if they didn't make anything up.

I guess I should read the beginning of the third book, wasn't expecting the 3 horns ending. Well I was because it got spoiled, but it was not what I imagined

Well, it wasn't what GRRM wrote, either, so your imagination shouldn't feel too bad.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Gah, so hard to avoid clarifying questions. Damn your ambiguous non-spoilers!

Westeros is a pretty shitty place to live, isn't it? Everyone backstabbing each other and now MOTHER **** ZOMBIES. Does Essos even care that winter is coming?